* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. IT'S NINE [00:00:02] NOW. THE, OH, IT'S NINE. ALRIGHT. IT'S NOT. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. IT [1. CALL TO ORDER] IS 9:00 AM UH, AND I AM OFFICIALLY CALLING THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP MEETING TO ORDER FOR THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH. I WANT TO WELCOME EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE AT THE TABLE. WE'RE HONORED TO HAVE THE WARS BOARD WITH US THIS MORNING. AND, UH, SO THANK YOU GENTLEMEN AND LADIES FOR BEING HERE. I WANT TO SAY HELLO TO COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL. GLAD TO SEE EVERYONE THIS MORNING, AND WE HAVE A FEW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. GLAD TO HAVE YOU. AND FOR THOSE THAT MAY BE WATCHING IN THE COMMUNITY, WE WANT TO EXTEND A, A GOOD MORNING AND A WELCOME TO YOU TO THE MEETING. UH, COUNSEL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE NOW BEING WATCHED THROUGHOUT THE STATE. I GOT A CALL A COUPLE DAYS AGO FROM A GENTLEMAN DOWN IN CORPUS CHRISTI WHO SAID HE ENJOYS WATCHING OUR MEETINGS. . WE ARE NOW, I DUNNO THAT THAT'S NECESSARY A COMPLIMENT. I KNOW. I, I'M NOT SURE FOR WHAT REASON HE DOES THAT. UM, ANYWAY, GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. AND, UH, WE ARE NOW OFFICIALLY ORDER IN ORDER FOR OUR WORKSHOP. UH, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO CALL THEIR MEETING TO ORDER TO OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE WARS BOARD. VICTOR, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WE'RE, UH, GLAD TO BE HERE. ANGIE, CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? CHAIRMAN VIC PEARSON HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN JUDGE PATTERSON. HERE. MAYOR BROWN. TRUSTEE WILLIE GONZALEZ. HE'S ON HIS WAY. TRUSTEE. SHEILA LID STONE HERE. TRUSTEE RICHARD MOORE. HERE. TRUSTEE ERIC STR GLAD HERE WE HAVE ROGER . VERY GOOD. UM, WE DO HAVE EVERYONE HERE. I DECLARE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. AND WOULD ASK ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST BY ANY TRUSTEE? DEAN? NONE. MAYOR. WE'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. THANK YOU, VIC. UM, THIS MORNING, UM, COUNSEL, WE HAVE A MEETING WITH OUR JOINT MEETING, AS YOU SEE WITH THE WARS BOARD, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON AT THE BOARD, AND WE HAVE HAD A, UH, RETREAT FOR THE WARS BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF, UH, ABOUT A WEEK OR SO AGO, AND A NUMBER OF SUBJECTS CAME UP. AND, UH, AS YOU KNOW, WITH THE ADVANCEMENT AND ALL OF THE POSITIVE ACTIONS THAT ARE GOING ON AT THE WARS BOARD, UH, THERE ARE CHALLENGES THAT OCCUR. AND, UH, [3.A Discussion of a Mobility / Traffic Study as it Relates to the Port and City of Galveston ( C BrnwnN Pierson/ City and Port Staff - 1 Hour )] SO THE VS BOARD, UH, IS GETTING READY TO PRESENT TO US, UH, SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT LOOKING AT A MOBILITY STUDY, UH, THAT WOULD, UH, BE INVOLVED NOT ONLY WITH PORT ACTIVITY, BUT CITY ACTIVITIES AND TRAFFIC FLOWS. ALSO, WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT NOW THAT AS WE'RE EXPANDING BEFORE ANY MORE, A MAJOR EXPANSION OCCURS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS VERY CLOSELY. SO OUR GOAL TODAY, COUNSEL, IS TO, UH, SPEND AN HOUR ON OUR, UH, AGENDA TODAY TO GIVE INPUT TO THE PORT, GET INPUT FROM THE PORT, AND THEN GIVE DIRECTION TO OUR STAFF. AND OF COURSE, UH, THE WARS BOARD COULD GIVE DIRECTION TO THEIR STAFF ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PARTICULAR STUDY. I'M NOW GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIRPERSON. WELL, MAYOR, THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL, WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE MOBILITY ON THE ISLAND. WE'RE AN ISLAND WITH OVER 7 MILLION TOURISTS COMING IN. WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THE EXPANSION OF OUR CRUISE BUSINESS. AND, UH, UH, IT'S A, A BLESSING AND SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE NEED TO DEAL WITH, BUT WE CAN'T LOOK AT IT IN A VACUUM OF JUST ON POOR PROPERTY. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN CONNECTION TO OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND THE IMPACTS OF UTMB COMING ON AND OFF THE ISLAND. AND WE ALL, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE MOBILITY STUDY AND HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY WORK TOGETHER. AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO ALSO, JUST, UH, FROM THE HOUSEKEEPING, CHO, WE FORGOT TO CALL A ROLL CALL FOR OUR COUNCIL. MAKE SURE WE HAD A QUORUM. JANELLE, COULD YOU DO THAT PLEASE, MA'AM? MAYOR BROWN, PRESENT MAYOR PRO. TIM ROB HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS. PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER PARETO MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER ROLLINS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER FINKLEY IS ABSENT THIS MORNING. WE HAVE ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT FOR COUNCIL MEMBER FINKLEY, UH, AND MAYOR, JUST SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW OUR, OUR AGENDA. UH, ANGIE, DO WE HAVE ANY REQUESTS FROM PUBLIC COMMENTS? NO REQUEST FROM THE PORTS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, I WOULD SAY TOO, FROM, UH, THE CITY STANDPOINT, COUNSEL, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HOPE THAT WE BRING [00:05:01] FORWARD HERE IN THIS DISCUSSION, ONE IS WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT A MOBILITY STUDY IS COMPARED TO A TRAFFIC STUDY. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DISTINCT, UH, STUDIES WITH DIFFERENT OUTCOMES. SO WE NEED TO BE CLEAR TO THAT. AND FOR THE COMMUNITY ALSO, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BOUNDARIES AND WHAT WOULD BE THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS STUDY. WE NEED TO FOCUS IN ON THOSE AREAS THAT WILL GIVE US THE RESULTS THAT WE REALLY WANT. IF THIS GETS TOO BROAD, THEN IT COULD BE WATERED DOWN TO THE POINT THAT WE MAY NOT GET THE REALLY THE, UH, GUIDANCE THAT WE WANT FROM THIS PARTICULAR STUDY. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT FUNDING AND HOW THAT FUNDING WOULD OCCUR, UH, AND SO FORTH ON HOW THAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT. IF WE COMBINE OUR EFFORTS WITH THE PORT, OR OF COURSE, FROM THE PORT STANDPOINT. ALSO, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TIMELINE AND HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE. UH, I KNOW THAT THE COURT'S GONNA SHARE WITH US SOME IDEAS ABOUT, UH, SOME REQUEST FROM SOME OF THE PARTICULAR TENANTS AT THE PORT ON WANTING TO TRY TO EXPAND. AND, UH, THIS TIMELINE IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THEY'RE VERY OPEN TO AND ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT THAT WOULD BE. ALSO, AND AS I MENTIONED, WE WANT TO BE A LITTLE, WANNA BE AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE, UH, COUNSEL ON DIRECTION TO OUR STAFF SO THAT THEY KNOW HOW THEY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THEIR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE BOARD. AUDREY, YOU WANT TO KIND OF UPDATE WHAT, WHILE WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS IN OUR RETREAT, WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUTCOMES DO WE WANT TO OBTAIN? WHAT DO WE WANT THIS MOBILITY STUDY TO SHOW TO US AS A PORT AND TO THE CITIZENS OF GALVESTON AND THE CITY ITSELF? UM, YEAH, I HAD, UH, I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH DAVID LIA, UH, LAST WEEK AND HIS, UH, HIS INDICATION, LET, LET'S ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, UH, TRUSTEE . SORRY, GUYS. WITH THIS NEW, WITH THIS NEW RE I CAN LOOK IT. SORRY, ROGER. NO, THAT'S OKAY. AND, AND HIS COMMENTS TO ME WERE, HE, HE THOUGHT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT, UH, SOUTH OF, UH, BROADWAY RATHER THAN HAVING A WHOLE ISLAND STUDY. UM, AND I THINK THIS WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT HE HAD SAID BEFORE. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO DO THE WHOLE ISLAND AND SEEING HOW THAT LOOKED AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE, THERE'S A COUPLE ISSUES HERE. YOU KNOW, PARKS BOARD HAS, UH, HAS PUT IN A NICE SIGN SYSTEM. WE'RE PUTTING IN A NICE SIGN SYSTEM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, UM, IS MOBILITY. HOW DO WE GET AROUND THE ISLAND? AND AND MOST OF THAT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, NORTH IS SOUTH OF HAR YEAH. SOUTH OF HARBORSIDE DRIVE, I MEAN, OF, OF BROADWAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE WANT TO GET INTO THAT. I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE AGAIN IS, UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS WE'RE SEEING, YOU KNOW, AS YOU, AS YOU NOTICED, UH, PEOPLE COMING DOWN THE SIDE STREETS TO THE CRUISE TERMINALS, UM, AND HOW WE COMBAT THAT. UH, YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, UH, HARBORSIDE DRIVE ONE LANE IS GONNA BE CLOSED ON HARBORSIDE DRIVE THE REST OF THIS YEAR, UH, WORKING ON, UM, UH, THE RAILROAD CROSSINGS. UM, WE HAD A SCARE LAST WEEK ABOUT THIS, WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE TWO LANES AT ONCE, WHICH WOULD'VE STOPPED ALL THE CARGO FROM THE PORT LEAVING AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, HINDRANCE TO THE CRUISE BUSINESS. AND SO I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DECIDE REALLY IS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I, I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH THIS BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE TRAFFIC, RIGHT? AND, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS THING'S GOING TO SAY OTHER THAN YOU GOT TRAFFIC, RIGHT? UM, AND IT'S GONNA TELL YOU YOUR CHOKE POINTS. IF YOU GO WITH A TRAFFIC STUDY, IT'S GOING TO TELL US WHERE OUR CHOKE POINTS ARE, WHICH WE'VE DONE THAT ON ALL OF OUR TERMINALS. I MEAN, WE, WE KNOW WHERE OUR CHOKE CHOKE POINTS ARE. AND, AND SURPRISINGLY ENOUGH FROM THIS TRAFFIC STUDIES WE'VE DONE, THE CHOKE POINTS ARE INSIDE THE TERMINALS THEMSELVES, INSIDE THE, THE AREAS AROUND THE GRAND GROUND TRANSPORTATION. UM, WE HAD A FOUR SHIP DAY THIS PAST SUNDAY. UM, I GOT SEVERAL REPORTS THAT THERE IS NOT REALLY A BIG ISSUE, OKAY? IN, IN, IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD ALL THE BIKERS HERE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE ALSO IS WE'RE MOVING, UH, TRAFFIC ONTO 20 INTO 25 AND 28 FURTHER WEST NOW COMING AT 33RD, MAKING A BIG DIFFERENCE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC IN AND AROUND, UH, THE ROSENBERG HARBORSIDE DRIVE. SO I THINK THAT WHAT, YOU KNOW, UH, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH A COUPLE OF, UM, OUR PARTNERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, IN, [00:10:01] UH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY EXPANSION. I I WILL SAY I'M UNDER AN AN NDA AS IT IT RELATES TO, TO THAT EXTENSION OR TO THAT, UH, DISCUSSION. UM, AND SO THEY, WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS, AND I'M NOT TELLING ANY SECRECY HERE. I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THEY'RE WORKING ON SOMETHING INTERNALLY. I, I'VE MENTIONED TO THEM, THE ONLY WAY I SEE THIS THING, UH, GETTING ANY FEET OR MOVING, MOVING FORWARD IS, IS THEY GOTTA COME TO THE TABLE WITH A TRAFFIC STUDY THEMSELVES, WHICH WILL, WILL FOCUS AROUND, UM, AN AN ADDITIONAL, UH, TERMINAL OPPORTUNITY SHOULD THAT HAPPEN. AND, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT PLUS, UM, THE COMPANY THAT HAS THAT DOES OUR MASTER PLAN, UM, WILPERT, UH, ACTUALLY PURCHASED BA THIS PAST YEAR. YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, VER HAILE WHO DID OUR, WHO DOES OUR MASTER PLAN, THEY WERE PURCHASED BY THIS COMPANY AND WHO HAS AN OFFICE IN, IN HOUSTON. AND, UH, THEY DO THIS KIND OF WORK. THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE THIS KIND OF WORK, A LOT OF QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS TYPE INFORMATION FROM DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF WHAT THEIR EXPERTISE IS. SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF SOURCES THERE THAT, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TALKING TO. UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, WE'RE HANDLING THE TRAFFIC PRETTY WELL. I MEAN, I'M JUST BEING HONEST. I THINK THAT WE, WE FEEL LIKE THAT FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING OUT HERE AND FROM, FROM WHAT YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS, IS THE TRAFFIC IS WORKING PRETTY WELL RIGHT NOW. AND I KNOW THAT THE QUESTION IS IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE ANOTHER AND MORE GROWTH, UM, HOW THAT IS AFFECTED. SO WE WE'RE GONNA DO THIS. I MEAN, I MEAN, HERE AGAIN, UM, IT IS NOT SO MUCH WE AS THE PORT DOING THIS, BUT IT IS, WE AS A POTENTIAL, UH, EXPANSION TENANT WHO WANTS TO HEAD THIS THING AHEAD, RIGHT? AND BE GLAD THEY'LL BE GLAD TO COME HERE AND TALK TO, TO THIS GROUP. I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. UM, THEY WANT TO COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, LET LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. SO I, SO HERE AGAIN, I MEAN, HOW EXTENSIVE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, I THINK THAT'S, WE'RE ALL MEETING HERE, UH, TO DISCUSS IS WHERE DOES THIS THING GO? AND, UM, SO THIS IS, THAT'S JUST KIND OF AN UPDATE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SITUATIONS WHERE THIS THING COULD BE DONE FOR US, UM, IF WE ARE, IF WE'RE SO INCLINED TO THAT AND DO, AND HERE AGAIN, THERE WAS CONVERSATION AT ONE POINT IN TIME FOR, TO INCLUDE THE WHOLE ISLAND. UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. ALRIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR RETREAT, IF I COULD, UH, IS, UH, A COUP A COUPLE OF MITIGATING FACTORS TO THIS TRAFFIC IS IF WE COULD BUILD A PARKING GARAGE FURTHER WEST, SO TO GET THE TRAFFIC MM-HMM . OFF HARBORSIDE BEFORE IT GETS TO DOWNTOWN, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, TO BUILD ANOTHER PARKING GARAGE SOMEWHERE AROUND THE P PIER 10 AREA WHERE WE COULD WORK WITH OUR REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE'S GOAL OF OPENING THAT UP, THAT SURFACE LOT, OPENING THAT UP TO THE GREEN SPACE COMPONENT AND THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO IT'S NOT JUST PARKING AND MOBILITY DRIVEN, IT'S DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN AND TRYING TO BE SMART ABOUT WHERE WE'RE WANTING TO GO AS A PORT, WORKING WITH THE CITY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOME CREATIVE IDEAS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS HERE I WANNA MENTION TOO, UH, MOBILITY STUDY, UH, AND GUIDE ME GENTLEMEN THAT HAD FAR MORE EXPERTISE ON THIS. AND I EVENTUALLY, I WANT TO HEAR FROM JEFF TOO. JEFF, YOU HAD TALKED WITH ME AT LENGTH ABOUT SOME THINGS. A MOBILITY STUDY IS NOT ONLY VEHICULAR, BUT IT'S PEDESTRIAN ALSO. AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT DOWN THERE BECAUSE GETTING PEOPLE ACROSS HARBORSIDE IS A MAJOR ISSUE OVER THERE. I WANNA LOOK AT, PERSONALLY, I WANNA LOOK AT THE CONNECTION OF THE PORT TO DOWNTOWN ON HOW WE GET INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE COMING OFF OF CRUISE SHIPS OR WAITING TO GO ON OR COME EARLY TO COME DOWN TO DOWNTOWN AND SHOP AND TO VISIT OUR RESTAURANTS. AND I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT. I WANNA LOOK AT THE ROLE OF, UM, TROLLEYS AND SHUTTLES OF MOVING PEOPLE FROM THE PORT TO DOWNTOWN ON A, ON A PARTICULAR CIRCUIT, UH, THAT RUNS, UH, CONSTANTLY THAT PEOPLE CAN RELY UPON TO COMING DOWNTOWN. SO THIS MOBILITY STUDY NEEDS TO TAKE IN ALL FACETS OF THAT, NOT JUST TRAFFIC ITSELF. AND I THINK THAT'S, UH, IN MY OPINION, [00:15:01] VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT TO THIS. UH, WE HAD, UH, ALEX AND THEN MARIE, AND THEN I THINK BOB, AND THEN I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM JEFF, IF THAT'S ALRIGHT WITH YOU. SURE. SO I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A SCALE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, I MEAN, I WOULD APPRECIATE IF THIS COMPANY OR WHOEVER COULD FUND THE WHOLE MOBILITY STUDY FOR THE CITY, BUT I THINK THAT BECOMES CUMBERSOME AND OUTSIDE OF THE PORT'S MAIN GOAL AND FOCUS IS GETTING PEOPLE IN AND OFF THE CRUISE SHIPS IN DOWNTOWN PORT EFFICIENTLY. UH, I THINK THE, THE SCALE AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE PORT AND THE CITY WORKING TOGETHER COULD BE CONCERNED IS THAT AREA OFF TAMAN 71ST, THE TRIANGLE FROM THERE TO PIER 10 TO BROADWAY AND BACK. SO BASICALLY THAT, THAT KIND OF FOCUS TRIANGLE, UH, WHERE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE GOING DOWN 37TH STREET. WE DO HAVE 33RD STREET, UH, 14TH STREET. YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE FOCUS ON HOW DO WE, IF SOMEONE DOESN'T WANT TO GO, WE CAN'T STOP THE UBER PLATFORM DRIVERS FROM GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT WE HAVE COMMERCIAL DRIVERS, Y'ALL HAVE CONTRACTS WITH COMMERCIAL COMPANIES. THIS IS WHERE, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE PRIVATE PARTNERS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THEY STICK TO, TO THE, THE LANE STRUCTURE, MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ABOUT MOVING TRAFFIC OFF ADDITIONAL, UH, PARKING STRUCTURES, WHETHER IT BE EAST OR WEST OF THE, THE PORT TERMINALS ALTOGETHER. IT DOES HELP GET TRAFFIC OFF. AND WHAT WAS IT, THE ONE AT 16 HAS A, WHAT? YOU'RE FULL FOR WHAT, THREE OR FOUR MONTHS YOU'RE PRE-BOOKED FOR THREE OR FOUR MONTHS ON YOUR TERMINAL? 16? I'M NOT TOTALLY, NO, BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF, BECAUSE WE REALLY ONLY HAVE A SHIP AND A HALF IN THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE NORWEGIAN DOESN'T START TO 28. AND SO YOU ONLY HAVE MSC IN THERE. BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE UM, THIS PAST WEEKEND WE HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED CARS FROM CG 10 THAT OPTED TO PARK IN THAT NEW GARAGE. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO YOU HAVE, BUT YOU, YOU HAVE THIS SCALE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TALKING, THERE'S THE BIGGER SCALE AND THEN HOW DO WE NARROW IT DOWN, RIGHT? IF WE'RE GOING TO PICK BROADWAY, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW DO WE PUT SIGNAGE UP OR DIRECT PEOPLE FROM BROADWAY TO MAKE A LEFT ON 14TH STREET THAT'S IMPACTFUL THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE THAT THEY'RE NOT DRIVING DOWN, UH, 18TH STREET, WHICH WOULD BE A TERRIBLE, I MEAN, YOU'RE HITTING A STOP SIGN EVERY, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DIRECT THAT TRAFFIC TO GET THERE? AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT HARBORSIDE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE ANYONE'S BEEN TO NEW ORLEANS, THEY'VE WALKED THE, THE BOARDWALK, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S OVER A RAILROAD TRACK. SO YOU GET ON ESCALATOR, YOU WALK A FEW FEET, YOU GET DOWN AN ESCALATOR AND, AND HEY, LOOK, YOU'RE THERE RIGHT IN, RIGHT IN THE BOARDWALK AREA. SO I THINK THE MAYOR MENTIONED SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY FOR MOBILITY. UM, AND THEN THAT TRANSIT STATION ON 25TH STREET, UH, IT WAS INTERESTING GOING TO, TO THE JUBILEE, UH, SHIP AND SEEING THE BIG WALL AND YOU SEE THIS, UH, LONG WALKWAY WITH THE WALL. SO MAYBE WE CAN TRY TO, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK THAT'S A BIG CHALLENGE, ESPECIALLY FOR HOW OLD THAT STRUCTURE IS AND GETTING IT OPENED UP. BUT MORE IDEAS LIKE THAT WHERE IF YOU HAD DIRECT ACCESS TO IT, I MEAN, TERMINAL SIXTEEN'S A DIFFERENT BEAST, BUT YOU HAVE YOUR ACCESS DIRECTLY, RIGHT, TO THE, UH, TO THE GATES. BUT I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHICH SCALE WE GO ON. SO BIG SCALE HARBORSIDE HERE, 10 14TH STREET BACK, AND THEN YOU GO DOWN TO THE MINUTE SCALE WHERE WE HAVE THESE NORTH SOUTH STREETS. HOW DO WE DIRECT PEOPLE FROM THE BROADWAY TO THE NORTH SOUTH STREETS? AND THEN HOW DO WE, ON HARBORSIDE, IT'S MORE OF, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT LAST TIME WITH THE ELECTRONIC, YOU KNOW, BREEZE, YOU KNOW, TELL YOU WHICH LANE YOU SHOULD BE IN AT THE TIME TO GET TO YOUR SHIP. SO YOU'RE NOT SITTING IN ONE LANE WAITING FOR SEASCAPE WHEN YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE GOT ALL THE BREEZE TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE SITTING BEHIND IT, YOU COULD JUST EASILY GO, RIGHT? 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE WILL SIT IN TRAFFIC JUST 'CAUSE THEY THINK THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. SO I THINK LOOKING AT THE SCALES, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD GO OUTSIDE OF THAT LARGEST SCALE UNLESS YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST AT, IT'LL BE JUST A MONETARY SUPPORT, I THINK FOR AN ISLAND WIDE CITY, UH, MOBILITY PLAN. 'CAUSE I THINK IT GOES OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE PORT MURRAY. UM, I MAKE THE DIFFER. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO AN ISLAND WIDE STUDY, BUT I DO THINK WE SORT OF NEED TO DO FROM A HUNDRED TO, BECAUSE WE KNOW ONE FACT THAT'S TRUE FROM YOUR STUDY, THAT WHAT 40% [00:20:01] OF THE HOTEL, 30 OCCUPANCY IS NOW DRIVEN BY CRUISE LINES. 30 AND 35, 30, 35, 30 5%. UM, SO YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING BACK AND FORTH FROM HOTELS BECAUSE I THINK HARBORSIDE IS PERSONALLY, AND I'M SOMEBODY WHO GOES OUT AND DRIVES IT ON WEEKENDS, IS LESS OF AN ISSUE THAN MORE ALL COMBINED TOURISM, WHICH I SUPPORT. UM, BECAUSE THIS WEEKEND WITH HOWEVER MANY, THREE TO 500,000 BIKES HERE, THREE BOATS GOING OUT ON SATURDAY, FOUR BOATS GOING OUT ON SUNDAY. AND I, I DROVE AROUND BOTH DAYS PURPOSELY AT DIFFERENT TIMES AS WELL AS I WATCHED GOOGLE AND WAYS, UM, THE ONLY SLOWDOWN ON HARBORSIDE WERE WHERE TWO LIGHTS ARE. AND THAT'S ALWAYS SORT OF A FICTITIOUS THING WITH BOTH THE APPS. BUT THE BIGGEST BOONDOGGLE ON THE ISLAND THIS WEEKEND WAS THE MASS EXODUS ON SUNDAY ON 61ST STREET THAT WAS BACKED UP PROBABLY TO 89TH STREET. AND THAT WAS CAUSED YEP, BY A LOT OF TOURS THAT WE CA HAD IN. UM, I DON'T THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT THE PORT'S BURDEN, BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT BOTH TRAFFIC AND MOBILITY AND CERTAINLY THE WAY FINDING. BUT I DO AGREE WITH ALEX A HUNDRED PERCENT HAVING GONE TO THE JUBILEE, UM, AND FINDING YOUR SIGN LOT, I FOUND VERY CONFUSING. I THINK WE COULD DO MORE SIGNAGE INTERNALLY THAT WILL HELP MOVE PEOPLE FASTER. BUT, UM, I WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE WITH ALL THOSE VEHICLES AND MOTORCYCLES ON THE ISLAND AND I DROVE UP AND DOWN NEIGHBORHOODS, PEOPLE WERE PROBABLY B******G 'CAUSE I WAS DRIVING THERE. BUT JUST TO SEE WHAT IT REALLY WAS LIKE. 'CAUSE I LIKE TO EXPERIENCE THINGS AND THERE WERE VERY, VERY FEW ISSUES EXCEPT FOR THAT MASS EXODUS ON SUNDAY. ALRIGHT, BOB? YEAH. WHERE TO START? UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THERE'S REALLY, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A TRAFFIC STUDY AND A MOBILITY STUDY. WELL, I THINK RATHER THAN PUT SOME LABELS ON IT, I THINK WE NEED ELEMENTS OF BOTH. WE NEED ELEMENTS. WE DO NEED TRAFFIC COUNTS. WHAT WOULD BE A TRAFFIC STUDY, TRAFFIC COUNTS, INTERSECTION COUNTS, LEVEL OF SERVICE, ALL THAT KIND OF THING. AND THAT'S, THAT'S IN THE PORT'S BEST INTEREST. BUT WE ALSO, IN, IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST, WE NEED MORE OF A MOBILITY STUDY. I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD LIMIT THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS THING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS ON IT AND, AND, UH, AND TRY TO SOLVE SOME IMMEDIATE PROBLEMS. WE HAVE TO ALSO ANTICIPATE THE FUTURE. UH, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT ON WHAT HAPPENS AT THE PORT IS FELT IN A, IN A, IN A KIND OF A LIMITED AREA DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, BACK IN SEPTEMBER. AND WE, WE CAN'T FORGET THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PLAN, CALL IT A MOBILITY PLAN, TRAFFIC PLAN, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT. IT'S GONNA HAVE ELEMENTS OF BOTH, BUT WE CAN'T NEGLECT THEIR ISSUES DOWN THERE. IN SEPTEMBER, WE MET CRAIG AND TREY CLICK AND I MET, UH, MET TOGETHER AND TALKED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE ALL HEAR FROM DOWNTOWN PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S A PERSISTENT COMPLAINT FROM THE DOWNTOWN PEOPLE. THE MERCHANTS ARE STRUGGLING. IT'S RESIDENTS DON'T LIKE THE PARKING SITUATION. UH, THE MERCHANTS DON'T LIKE THE PARKING SITUATION FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR WORKERS. AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROBLEMS THERE. BUT THEY ARE IMPACTED BY WHAT HAPPENS AT THE WATERFRONT AND THE PORT. AND, UH, IT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE, BUT I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, MOST CRITICAL ELEMENT OF THIS IS HOW WE PROVIDE SAFE, INTUITIVE, AND COMFORTABLE, UH, PASSAGE BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND THE WATERFRONT ACROSS HARBORSIDE DRIVE. THAT'S CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF ALL OF THIS IN, IN TERMS OF BOUNDARIES, UH, WITH THE IDEA OF, OF, UH, TRYING TO LIMIT IT NOR TO BE ABLE TO FOCUS, YOU KNOW, A POST OFFICE STREET IS MATURE, IS A MATURE AREA, VERY BUSY STREET. AND, UH, 14TH STREET IS A MATURE AREA, VERY BUSY STREET. UH, I TO, FOR A STUDY, I WOULD GO AT LEAST ONE STREET BEYOND THOSE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE FOR THIS. AND GALVESTON IS GROWING. IT'S GONNA GROW BEYOND IT. IT POTENTIALLY WILL GROW BEYOND THOSE MATURE AREAS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW WERE THERE. SO I WOULD PUT IT, UH, I WOULD PUT THE LIMITS TO AT LEAST 13TH STREET TO 33RD STREET, I THINK IS, IS WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING. AND THEN, UM, ALSO CHURCH TO THE WATERFRONT, UH, FOR POTENTIAL AREA OF, OF, OF, UM, TO LOOK AT NOW THE, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT THE, THE PORT HAS, UH, I, I AGREE [00:25:01] WITH ALL OF THEM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE NEED TO INCLUDE AGAIN, THE DOWNTOWN CONCERNS. AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT PARKING. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PARKING DEMAND. WHERE IS IT COMING FROM? WHERE ARE PEOPLE COMING FROM? WHERE ARE THEY TRYING TO GET TO? WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PARKING SUPPLY THAT'S AVAILABLE. UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT TYPE OF PARKING? IS IT CURBSIDE PARKING? IS IT VALET PARKING? IS IT SERVICE LOT? IS IT GARAGE? AND THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AND UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE POTENTIAL OPTIONS. THERE COULD BE SOME SURFACE LOTS THAT ARE UNDERUTILIZED. I KNOW THERE'S PARKING GARAGES THAT ARE UNDERUTILIZED AND COME UP WITH SOME BEST, BEST PRACTICE METRICS. HOW DO OTHER PLACES SOLVE THIS PROBLEM? YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A SILVER BULLET FOR EVERYBODY, BUT WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION FOR HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO PARK IT DOWNTOWN, WHAT IS, WHAT SHOULD WE LOOK AT THAT? I KNOW THERE'S SOME RESIDENTS WHO THINK THEY SHOULDN'T PAY ANYTHING AT ALL. WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. PARKING IS ESPECIALLY IN A PLACE THAT WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT BEFORE CARS. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT KIND OF ACCOMMODATION FOR CARS THAT, UH, UH, OTHER CITIES DO THAT WEREN'T BUILT IN THE 19TH CENTURY. SO, UH, I, I THINK MY POINT IS, AND, AND THEN TO DO THIS, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. THAT IS THE, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STAKEHOLDERS DOWNTOWN HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS. SO WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE BEING HEARD. 'CAUSE THEIR PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME. AND, UH, SO IDENTIFY THE AREA, I GUESS IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. UH, AND I THINK, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SIDE WORK ON WHAT THIS RFP IS GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR WHOEVER, WHATEVER THE CONSULTANT IS GOING TO, WHATEVER CONSULTANT IS GONNA UNDERTAKE THIS, AND THEN GET SOME STAFF WORK ON IT. MAYBE THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE WORK ON IT. I THINK I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE. AND, AND THEN COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A DRAFT RFP FOR, UH, GETTING THIS WORK DONE. YOU HAD A QUESTION ON SOMETHING YOU SAID. YOU SAID YOU MET WITH TREY AND SOMEONE ELSE, CRAIG, THE MAYOR. DID YOU EVER GO OUT AND ACTUALLY TALK TO THE BUSINESSES? OH YEAH. HE'S, CRAIG, TREY IS, I MEAN, I'VE HEARD FROM A BUNCH OF THEM THERE AND I'VE GONE OUT AND TALKED TO HIM AND I'VE GONE DOWN THERE WHEN EVENTS ARE GOING ON. YOU KNOW, THEY DOWNTOWN HAS TROUBLE WITH EVENTS AS WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT SOME OF THE MERCHANTS FEEL LEFT OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE WE MAY LOOK AT IS WHAT ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES, YOU KNOW, TO CUT SUIT TO, TO SHUTTING DOWN SOME OF THE STREETS, UH, ACCORDING TO WHAT KIND OF EVENT IT IS. WHERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVE PLACES EVENTS COULD BE HELD THAT MAY BE ADJACENT TO DOWNTOWN. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT, UH, COULD BE EXPLORED, UH, INCLUDING, UH, CIRCULATING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM THE CRUISE SHIP TERMINALS TO DOWNTOWN SATELLITE PARKING WITH, UH, WITH SHUTTLES, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE, UH, WHAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING FROM DOWNTOWN. YEAH. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO TALK DIRECTLY TO THE BUSINESSES. I'M YES. I HOTELS AND THE RESTAURANTS. YEP. ALRIGHT. WE HAVE, UH, I'M SORRY, BOB HAS HAD EVERYTHING YOU HAD, SIR, IS THAT IT PRONOUNCED ? JUST MAYOR, JUST A QUICK, UM, I THINK THE, WHAT I MEANT BY TALKING TO OUR CORPORATE PARTNERS, WHICH IS LIKE THE, THE MASS TRANSIT, THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, IF THEY DON'T KNOW, OR, OR, OR YOU KNOW, THE PORT LEANS ON 'EM IN THE CITY AND THE PORT TOGETHER SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT OFFERING, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN OFFER CRUISE, CRUISE STORAGE. THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM OF, RIGHT, HAVING, HAVING PEOPLE STAY, YOU, YOU LESSEN THE TRAFFIC UP FRONT IN A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY STAY, THEY SPEND MONEY. THERE'S THE SALES TAX, THERE'S THE, THAT GENERATION OF HOT TAX, IF THEY END UP STAYING FOR THE WEEK OR WEEK AFTER, A COUPLE DAYS AFTER OR BEFORE THE HOTELS, YOU, YOU CAN SAY, HEY, UM, CRUISE, UH, PASSENGER, COMPANY X START TRYING TO OFFER HOTEL PICKUPS. THAT WAY YOU CAN REMOVE THE CARS THAT ARE COMING OFF, YOU KNOW, THE UBERS RIGHT? NOT TO CUT UNDERCUT UBER OR ANYTHING, BUT YOU HAVE MASS TRANSIT WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A 14 PASSENGER VAN PICKUP, 14 PASSENGERS, RATHER THAN HAVING SIX OR SEVEN CARS OF, YOU KNOW, SIGNAL PASSENGERS. I THINK THAT'S A PIECE. BUT PEOPLE ARE GONNA DO WHAT THEY GONNA DO. THEY THEY WILL, BUT IT'S LEANING ON THEM. IT'S NOT, I JUST THINK IT COVERS A LARGE YEAH, IT'S NOT LEANING, IT'S NOT LEANING ON SAYING, YOU MUST DO THIS, BUT HEY, THINK ABOUT OFFERING THIS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO FOR MOBILITY, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, THIS IS A DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO FOR MOBILITY. THAT'S HOW BRING EVERYBODY ON BOARD THAT JUST KIND OF, HEY, THROW, THROW OUT SOME IDEAS. THERE'S THAT ENGAGEMENT ASPECT OF IT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE HOTEL STANDPOINT. A LOT OF 'EM ARE DOING THAT ALREADY. UH, THAT'S ALREADY GOING'S NOT, IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS YOU THINK. I, I'VE, I'VE, I'VE WORKED IN THAT INDUSTRY AND IT'S NOT AS MUCH AS YOU THINK. AND THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. SO SOME OF 'EM ARE DOING IT, SOME OF 'EM DROP, DROP THE SERVICE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S CHALLENGING. BUT IF THE [00:30:01] PORT CAN FACILITATE THAT AND MAKE IT EASIER, I THINK THAT WOULD HELP. AND IF, IF WE MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, UH, WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ORDINANCES. 'CAUSE I THINK THEY'RE EXCLUDED RIGHT NOW FROM THIS DOLLAR PER DAY PER VEHICLE. YEAH. FOR, FOR PARKING, FOR CRUISE, UH, CRUISE LINES ON OUR PARKING MARKING PHASE. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT CLOSELY. YES. WE NEED TO. JEFF, YOU WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS? YEAH, I JUST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO DAVID, YOU KNOW, ENGINEER TO ENGINEER, RIGHT. SO, BUT IT, BECAUSE I'M, MY BACKGROUND'S NOT IN TRAFFIC, SO I JUST THOUGHT DAVID HAD SOME, SOME GOOD PERSPECTIVES THERE. AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE SCOPE AND I GUESS THE POINT, ONE POINT HE, HE STRONGLY MADE, AND I I AGREE, IS WE, WE'VE GOTTA BE CAREFUL OF THE SCOPE OF THIS BECAUSE IF YOU GET IT, AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, BROADWAY IS A PART OF THIS, 61ST, ALL THOSE, BUT IF YOU GET IT TOO BROAD, THEN YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING WHAT HE WOULD CALL A CORRIDOR STUFF. YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY MORE ISLAND WIDE. AND I THINK THIS, I THINK IN OUR MINDS ANYWAY, FROM A PORT PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY, MY COLLEAGUE'S MOUSE HERE, BUT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING TO FOCUS ON THE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE PORT. AND, AND I GUESS DAVID USED THE PHRASE THE LAST MILE PERFORMANCE. THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE BOTTLENECKS COME. AND SO HIS COMMENT IS, WAS YOU, WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF BOUNDARIES AND BOB KIND OF ALLUDED TO 'EM, MAYBE 14TH STREET TO 33RD STREET, UH, THE WATER MAYBE TO POST OFFICE SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE IN THAT BOUNDARY. AND, AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU WON'T GET IMPACTS OF, OF WHAT YOU, YOU REALLY WON'T SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON BROADWAY. BUT, BUT PEOPLE ON BROADWAY ARE GONNA COME INTO THAT ENVELOPE FROM SOMEWHERE. AND SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL PICK THEM UP AS THEY COME IN. AND IT, YOU KNOW, AS A PART OF THIS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN, I MEAN, A PART OF THIS COULD BE, IT'LL TELL US THE SIGNAGE WE NEED TO PUT ON BROADWAY OR HARBORSIDE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE TO DIRECT PEOPLE TO THE APPROPRIATE PLACE. SO THE FACT THAT WE TRY KIND OF MAYBE LIMIT THIS THING TO A, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BOUNDARY FAIRLY CLOSE AROUND THE PORT, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE WON'T BE SOLUTIONS THAT GET OUT INTO BROADER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY. BUT I THINK THE COMMENT, AND I THINK A LITTLE, DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH AND STUDY IS IF YOU GET THIS TOO BIG, YOU, YOU KIND OF LOSE THE GRANULARITY. WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON 23RD STREET AND, AND YOU KNOW, 23RD AND STRAND AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE'RE GETTING THOSE. AND IF YOU GET THIS THING TOO BIG, YOU LOSE, KINDA LOSE SOME OF THAT GRANULARITY. SO MY, MY COMMENT ON DAVID WOULD, IF HE WAS HERE, HE WOULD DEFINITELY STAY, BUT LET'S BE CAREFUL HOW WE, HOW WE BOUNDARY THIS. SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT, WHAT HE WOULD CALL TO KIND OF GET THAT THOUGHT IN YOUR HEAD. THE LAST MILE PERFORMANCE COMING INTO THE PORT. AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL EXPANSION AT, AT, UH, TERMINAL 10. I GUESS HIS COMMENT WAS, YOU KNOW, LET'S, OBVIOUSLY THE TRAFFIC WE HAVE IS THE TRAFFIC WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. SO YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE BASING COUNTS AND THINGS ON THAT, BUT THEN YOU HAVE THAT BASIS, THAT MODEL BASIS, THEN YOU, WHAT HE WOULD CALL STRESS TEST THAT FOR A POTENTIAL. AND THAT MAY BE SOME, SOME COOPERATION BETWEEN THE STUDY THAT, THAT THIS OTHER ENTITY IS DOING. AND, AND THIS IS THAT YOU, YOU BRING THOSE TRAFFIC CAM, YOU BRING THOSE POTENTIAL TRAFFIC COUNT INTO THIS AND YOU BASICALLY STRESS TEST AND SEE WHAT THAT DOES TO THE, THE MODEL THAT YOU BUILT OF THIS AREA. OH YEAH. UH, THE OTHER THING I GUESS HE ACTUALLY DID GO IN, IT'S INTERESTING, HE WENT IN CHAT G AND I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY'S SEEN THIS, BUT HE WENT INTO CHAT GPT AND ACTUALLY PRODUCED A PRETTY GOOD REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL. AND MAYBE IF I COULD JUST READ THE, READ THE PURPOSE HERE. I SOUND LIKE I'LL DO MY BEST ELECTRONIC VOICE OF CHAT GPT. BUT TO THE PURPOSE OF THIS WOULD BE TO EVALUATE AND RECOMMEND NEAR TERM AND LONG-TERM MOBILITY IMPROVEMENTS TO SAFELY AND EFFICIENTLY ACCOMMODATE CRUISE PASSENGER EMPLOYEE AND VISITOR TRAFFIC BETWEEN THE GALVESTON PORT AND DOWNTOWN. THE STUDY WILL IDENTIFY INGESTION, CIRCULATION, PARKING, AND PEDESTRIAN SAFETY DEFICIENCIES WITHIN THE STUDY AREA AND DEVELOP ACTIONABLE COST-EFFECTIVE COUNTERMEASURES. OKAY. VERY GOOD. . WELL, I AGREE WITH YOUR ROBOT ROBOT. YOUR ROBOT. I AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT YOU SAID. AI. I, I WOULD SAY THOUGH, UM, IF WE WERE TO DO A SEA WALL TRAFFIC STUDY, I'M PRETTY SURE WE WOULD INCLUDE BROADWAY. AND I THINK BROADWAY DELINEATES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEA WALL AND ALL BUSINESS DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING THE PORT. OF COURSE. UM, I AGREE WITH BOB IN THINKING THAT YOU MAY WANT TO GO ONE OR TWO BLOCKS FURTHER THAN WHAT YOU ACTUALLY THINK BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ALL OF US JUST GIVING OUR 2 CENTS IN, IN, IN OUR EXPERIENCES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CERTAINLY DO IS BEFORE WE DESIGNATE AN AREA, TALK TO EXPERTS, OTHER EXPERTS AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK? TELL US WHAT THE SCOPE SHOULD BE AND THEN LET US CHOOSE MOVING FORWARD FROM THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, PARKING GARAGES AND VIC TOUCHED ON THAT TOO, ACTUALLY. UH, ONE 'CAUSE WE WERE ALSO LOOKING AT, UM, HAVING MORE, UH, SHUTTLES THAT, YOU KNOW, DROPPING OFF PEOPLE. I THINK LONG TERM THAT'S GONNA HELP A LOT OF THE CONGESTION PROBLEM. UM, AND THE TROLLEY THING IS SOMETHING I THOUGHT OF TWO YEARS AGO WHEN [00:35:01] THEY PUT THOSE THINGS TO USE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THINK IT'D BE GREAT, UM, DELIVERING PASSENGERS TO, TO THE, UH, TERMINALS. AND, UM, I HAD SOMETHING ELSE. WELL, I'M SURE IT'LL COME BACK, BUT, UH, I DON'T WANNA TAKE MUCH MORE TIME, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN TO OTHER MOBILITY EXPERTS AND IT'S NOT YES, YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT CARDS. IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE MOVING. OH, I KNOW. THE OTHER ONE WAS ACCESS POINTS, OBVIOUSLY ON HARBOR SIDE AND THE QUICKEST DISTANCE BETWEEN TWO POINTS IS A STRAIGHT LINE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. BUT WHEN YOU START TO ADD ACCESS POINTS, THAT'S WHERE THINGS SLOW UP, OBVIOUSLY. SO WE'RE ABOUT TO GET THE CROSSOVER DONE, HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT NOT DONE WELL WORK ON IT DONE. THAT'S, I'M BEING OPTIMISTIC ABOUT IT, BUT, UM, FEWER CROSSOVER POINTS. I, I, I THINK DOES DESIGNATED AREAS. THAT'S WHY IN MY MIND YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE BROADWAY BECAUSE THE SIGNAGE IS SO IMPORTANT. COMING OFF THAT, 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TWO SECTIONS. YOU HAVE THE 25TH AND 28TH TERMINAL, AND YOU HAVE THE EAST END TERMINALS, WHICH IS 10 AND 16. AND THOSE, YOU REALLY DON'T WANT THEM GOING DOWN TO HARBORSIDE. I WOULD IMAGINE YOU'D WANT THEM COMING DOWN BROADWAY. SO RICHARD, I KNOW YOU HAD A LOT OF YEAH, I, I, UH, SO I THINK THAT THE, UH, ALL OF US KEEP IN MIND OUR MAIN PAIN POINTS, AND I I WANT TO EMPHASIZE ABOUT THIS, IS THAT THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE A MULTIMODAL STUDY. AND, AND WE CAN'T FORGET HOW IMPORTANT, UM, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE PORT AREA AND TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA IS. AND WE, WE CAN'T FORGET THOSE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND FLOWS THAT, THAT REPRESENTS AND HOW THEY IMPACT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND HOW VEHICLE VEHICLE TRAFFIC IMPACTS THEM. UM, AND SO I, I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MIGRATE TO VEHICLES BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SEE AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE BIG AND THEY'RE STALLED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. BUT I, I THINK IT'S REAL, REAL IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND THE, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AND, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE AREA, UH, OF DOWNTOWN AND PORT AND HOW TO GET THAT TRAFFIC. I, I, I VISUALIZE A WORLD WHERE SOMEDAY THAT'S LOOKED AT AS JUST ONE BIG AREA, YOU KNOW? AND I WOULDN'T MIND IF THE, IF THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY SORT OF RENAMED IT TO THE, TO BE THE DOWNTOWN HARBOR AREA OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND U USE THAT. SO, SO OUTSIDERS, UH, BECOME USED TO THINKING OF IT AS ONE BIG AREA AND THAT THE FLOW, UH, WORKS BEST THAT I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE TARGETING IN ON SOME PRETTY REASONABLE, UH, STUDY AREAS. I, I THINK, AND I THINK WE'LL GET THERE. I THINK WE NEED TO TURN, ACTUALLY, I THINK WE NEED TO TURN THIS OVER TO THE, UH, UH, REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE. I, MY SUGGESTION IS WE DO THAT AND LET THEM COME, COME UP WITH A, A FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WOULD BE A AN RFP AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND SO THOSE ARE MY MAIN MAIN POINTS. MY, MY MAIN CONCERN IS GONNA BE THOUGH THAT WE NOT JUST THINK ABOUT CARS. MM-HMM . I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY. UH, JUST A QUESTION BEFORE MARK COMMENTS. UH, ROGER, IS THERE A TIMELINE THAT WE WANT TO GET THIS MOBILITY STUDY FINISHED YESTERDAY? , I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, NO. YEAH. I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS, LEMME BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT. YOU KNOW, ALMOST EVERYTHING WE'VE DISCUSSED HERE AT THE MEETING HAS BEEN DONE. OKAY. UM, YOU KNOW, AT VARIOUS TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE, WE JUST, UH, SPENT MONEY OR, OR RECEIVED MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO TALK ABOUT SAFE STREETS, AND IT WAS FOCUSED ENTIRELY ON HARBORSIDE DRIVE MAYBE, AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? AND THAT WAS A $10 MILLION FIX. AND SO WE'VE APPLIED FOR THE MONEY TO DO THAT FIX, WHICH IS REALLY MORE, MORE JUST THE INTERSECTIONS, OKAY? AND WE, AND WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WE'VE, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD JUST SAY LIKE THIS, IF THE INTEREST IS SO HIGH IN THE COMMUNITY, WHY AREN'T THEY SHOWING UP? WHY AREN'T THEY SHOWING UP TO THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE'RE HAPPENING? BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING FOR EVERY TERMINAL WE'VE EVER OPENED UP, EVERY CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WE'VE EVER DONE WITH THE INTERNAL ROADS, WE'VE HAD PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT EVERYONE AND NOBODY SHOWS. NOW, I'M NOT SAYING NO, I SHOULDN'T SAY NOBODY SHOWS UP. THE INTERESTED PARTY SHOWS IS UP, BUT NOT FROM THIS POPULATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND, AND ANOTHER THING HERE, TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SCOPE, AND I, AND, AND I'M DEFENDING WHAT WE'VE DONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE SAY THESE THINGS AND, AND, AND WE, OH, WE NEED TO DO THIS, WE NEED TO DO THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT LIKE THE PORT HAS NOT HAD [00:40:01] THE FORESIGHT AND OUR BOARD HAS NOT HAD THE FORESIGHT TO DO THESE THINGS ALREADY. AND, UH, ONE THING I WOULD MENTION IS, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T, YOU TALK ABOUT SCOPE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND I HEARD, AND I HAD A LITTLE BIT OF THE SAME CONVERSATION JEFF HAD WITH, WITH DAVID, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS, AS WE'VE BROUGHT UP BEFORE, AND WE, WE DID, UH, A STUDY WITH THE PARKS BOARD WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A CELL PHONE SYSTEM THAT THEY CAN TRACK CELL PHONES TO SEE WHERE EVERYBODY'S COMING FROM. AND ON THE ISLAND HOTELS, I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE SPOTS ALL ALONG. I, THE SEA WALL WHERE WHEN PEOPLE LEAVE TO COME TO TERMINALS, THEY'RE LEAVING FROM OUT THERE. AND, AND YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING I'LL BRING UP IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING JUST RECENTLY IS THE AIRPORT, THE AIRPORT'S TALKING ABOUT SELLING CRUISE PARKING? AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN DO WE NEED TO WORRY? DO WE NEED TO BRING IN THAT, THAT AREA? BECAUSE I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S SELLING PARKING AND, UH, AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE LOSING IS THE CITY BECAUSE THE CITY'S NOT COLLECTING ON THAT. BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I I, I FEEL LIKE THAT WE'VE DONE A, A WHOLE LOT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT MONEY FROM HGAC TO STUDY THE OVERHEAD HIGHWAY AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SHOULD HELP TRAFFIC ALSO. BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THE TIMELINE, I MEAN, TO DO EVERYTHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, HERE'S A YEAR. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO GET THAT GRANULAR INTO, TO, I MEAN, 'CAUSE HOW DO YOU NOT, UM, DO, UH, TRAFFIC COUNTS AT INTERSECTIONS? AND WE'VE DONE THAT. WE, WE'VE DONE THAT IN OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES. WE COULD TELL YOU EVERYWHERE EACH ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS ARE ON BROADWAY. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE GOING THROUGH THOSE INTERSECTIONS? I MEAN, THERE WERE, THERE WERE COUNTERS PUT OUT THERE AND, AND WE'LL DO THAT AGAIN. I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE COUNTERS THAT WOULD TELL, TOLD US WHERE ALL THE HOTSPOTS ARE AND YOU KNOW, SO I I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ALMOST BEAT THIS TO DEATH. I MEAN, EVERY TIME WE DO ANYTHING, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE, THE, THE CONNECTION BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND US. I, I, I PULLED TWO OF THE LARGEST RESTAURANT OWNERS IN GALVESTON LAST TWO WEEKS, AND THEY'RE SAYING, WE LOVE IT, MAN. I MEAN, WE'RE FULL. AND, UH, IT, THAT'S THE SAME ANSWER. WHAT DOES THE TRAFFIC, WHAT DOES THE TRAFFIC DO TO YOU? IT'S NOT DOING ANYTHING TO US. AND THEIR COMMENTS WERE THAT THE, THAT THE RETAIL OWNERS, UM, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE OPEN. WELL, THIS WAS THE MAIN COMMENT, NEED TO BE OPEN WHEN THE CRUISE PASSENGERS WAS HERE TO GET THE REVENUES FROM THAT. AND, AND SECONDLY, THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, AND I'VE, I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, ARE ARE THEY SELLING WHAT PEOPLE WANT? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND HERE AGAIN, WE HAD A CONVERSATION AT THE Q AND I AND I, AND I DID HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH DRE CLICK ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE THE, THE STRAND MORE ATTRACTIVE AND MORE SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND MINGLE DOWN THERE? AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CROSSOVER. AND I AGREE, CROSSING OVER IS A, IS A, IS A NIGHTMARE, BUT I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO PREACH, BUT I MEAN, I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THIS AND VIRTUALLY EVERY BIT OF EXPANSION THIS BOARD HAS APPROVED, YOU KNOW, BASED ON INFORMATION THAT HAS COME FROM THESE, THESE DIFFERENT STUDIES. SO WE'RE TOUCHING EVERY ASPECT OF IT ALREADY. I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY CAN, I MEAN, CERTAINLY THIS BOARD OR THIS GROUP WANTS TO HAVE ANOTHER GO AT IT, AND WE'LL DO THAT. UM, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU WHAT'S GONNA, AND I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS, MY FAVORITE LINE NOW IS WHAT'S THE TRAFFIC STUDY GONNA SHOW? THERE'S TRAFFIC, RIGHT? AND, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GET AWAY FROM TRAFFIC. IT. THIS, YESTERDAY WAS IN A MEETING WITH TDOT AT TTO, AND ONE OF THE GUYS BROUGHT UP, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, THE, AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR WILL, WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE TRUCKS OFF THE ROADS. AND THEN ONE OF THE ASTUTE GENTLEMEN THERE SAID, YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT. YOU ARE NOT GONNA GET THE TRUCKS OFF THE ROAD BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE THE TRUCKS OFF THE ROAD, THE PORTS NOT THE WIND POWERS IN HERE. THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT OUTTA HERE. AND THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY. BUT THE BEST THING THE WAY TO DO IS YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO ACCOMMODATE 'EM IN A SAFE MANNER. AND SO THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE'VE GOT HERE. THIS TRAFFIC'S NOT GOING AWAY, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A SIMULATION. WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON ANOTHER SIMULATION WHERE WE SHOW WHERE IF I HAVE 5,000 NEW PASSENGERS AND THEY ALL COME AT OUR RATIO OF SIX TO [00:45:01] SEVEN CARS, UH, ONE, ONE CAR FOR EVERY SIX OR SEVEN PASSENGERS, THEN WE PLUG THAT INTO THE MODEL AND WE SHOW THOSE CARS COMING IN AND OUTTA THERE. AND WE'LL DO THAT AGAIN HERE, UM, ON A NEW, ON A NEW SITUATION. BUT, UM, I, I, I, I GUESS I'LL BE OFF MY SOAPBOX, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, I, I, I DEFEND MY STAFF BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS, WE'VE DONE IT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, AND WE ARE VERY CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT THIS. THERE'S NOT ONE STAFF MEETING THAT DOESN'T GO BY THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THIS. OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE READY. I MEAN, YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THIS GROUP DECIDES FOR US TO DO, WE'LL DO IT. YOU KNOW, WE WILL, I'LL, ALRIGHT, LET'S HEAR FROM THOSE THAT HAVEN'T HADN'T SPOKEN UP YET. LET'S, UH, SHEILA, AND THEN LET'S GO AROUND THOSE THAT HAVEN'T GIVEN INPUT YET. I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS. SURE. SO THERE ARE 13 PEOPLE AROUND THIS TABLE, AND EVERYONE BRINGS A LOT OF EXPERTISE, A LOT OF EXPERIENCES. WE ALL HAVE OUR GROUPS THAT WE BELONG TO. ONE PERSON HEARS THIS THING, ANOTHER PERSON HEARS THIS THING. THAT TO ME UNDERSCORES THAT. AND I SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY, THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE HERE TO DECIDE SCOPE. WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE HERE TO DECIDE WHAT TO PAY OR WHAT THE TIMELINE SHOULD BE OR WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED. I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY. UM, I THINK WE'RE LUCKY THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A MAJOR ACCIDENT, MAJOR CRISIS, MAJOR TRAGEDY, UM, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GROWING, GROWING, GROWING. AND AS YOU SAY, WE HAVE BEEN STUDYING, BUT IT'S BEEN PIECEMEAL. IT'S BEEN OKAY, NOW IT'S THIS AREA. OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THIS AREA AND LOOK AT THIS. BUT WHAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT, AND I'M NOT SAYING THE WHOLE ISLAND, BUT ALL OF THAT AREA THAT IS AFFECTED OF PEOPLE INBOUND AND OUTBOUND ON, UM, ON CRUISE DAYS. I THINK WE'VE REALLY GOT TO GET HELP IN FORM, IN THE FORM OF A CONSULTANT AND THEN HELP IN FORM OF, UM, EXPERTISE. I, I, I, FOR ONE, CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE SCOPE OF THIS SHOULD LOOK LIKE. I LIVE IN, IN THE WAY OF, UH, UH, CRUISE TERMINAL TRAFFIC CUT RIGHT IN THE WAY OF IT. BUT I STILL DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM UP THERE. AND SO I HOPE THAT, UM, WE CAN CONSIDER COMING TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN BRING IN SOME EXPERTS TO LOOK AT A FULL RANGE. NOT A PIECE, NOT A PIECE, BUT A FULL RANGE OF, OF WHAT WE NEED ON THIS ISLAND, CHRIS IS, IS HUGE. IT'S HUGE. IT'S A HUGE INDUSTRY. IT'S A GROWING INDUSTRY. IT DOVETAILS WITH, UH, TOURISM, WHICH IS HUGE. AND SO WE'VE GOT ALL OF THESE, UM, FACTORS AND, AND WE JUST, WE NEED TO GET OUR ARMS AROUND THIS. OKAY, LET'S GO AROUND THOSE THAT HAD AN AIRING. DID YOU WANT SAY A FEW WORDS ON THIS? SURE. UM, APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT. I I'VE HEARD A LOT OF, UH, GREAT IDEAS, GREAT THOUGHTS, AND CAN'T REALLY DISAGREE WITH MANY OF 'EM AT ALL. SO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING TO THE TABLE TODAY WITH, WITH EVERYTHING, ALL THEIR CONCERNS. UM, I DO, I AGREE WITH SHEILA. YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT EXPERTS IN THIS AND WE DO NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE RIGHT, UH, PEOPLE TO DO THIS STUDY. I THINK THAT, UH, THE SMALLER THE SCOPE, THE, UH, THE BETTER THE RESULTS ARE FOR THE SPECIFIC AREAS CHOKE POINTS, THAT LAST MILE OF PERFORMANCE. UH, I AGREE WITH THAT. UM, I, I AGREE THAT THERE COULD BE TWO, I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE TWO STUDIES HERE. I THINK THAT THERE IS ONE DOWN CLOSER TO THE PORT, UM, MUCH MORE GRANULAR. AND THEN THERE'S THE LARGER STUDY THAT MARIE TOUCHED ON THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF LIKE A CORRIDOR STUDY AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO GET PEOPLE ACROSS THE ISLAND ON THESE MAIN, UH, THOROUGH FARES. BUT AS FAR AS THE PORT'S CONCERNED, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT SCOPE TIGHTER SO THAT WE CAN GET BETTER RESULTS. DETERMINE WHAT THOSE CHOKE CHOKE POINTS ARE CLOSER TO THE PORT, SPECIFIC TO CRUISE TRAFFIC SO THAT, UH, WE CAN GET RESULTS QUICKER. I THINK THE BIGGER THE STUDY, THE LONGER IT'S GONNA TAKE, THE MORE EXPENSIVE IT IS, UM, FOCUS ON THE PORT AND ITS SURROUNDING, IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING AREAS. FOCUS ON THOSE, UH, CHOKE POINTS AND WHERE THE IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE. AND, UH, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, A BROADER STUDY, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE CITY SHOULD ALSO CONTINUE TO CONSIDER. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I WEAR THE WARS BOARD HAT AND I WEAR THE HAT OF, I LIVE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY, SO I APPRECIATE MARIE'S SENTIMENTS OF, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S SOLVE THIS ISSUE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE WHOLE ISLAND. BUT I THINK THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT STUDIES. UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, SIR? UH, PASS ME ON THIS ONE. ALL RIGHTY. UH, SHARON, I'M GONNA CALL ON YOU. UH, YOU HAD, OKAY, [00:50:01] I JUST KIND OF MADE SOME NOTES AS, AS I LISTENED, UH, TO EVERYONE AND AN EXPERT WOULD SURELY BE GREAT FOR THE STUDY. AND AS WE LOOK, I LIKE THE IDEA OF RENAMING THAT PROBABLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MOBILITY STUDY , BUT IN A WAY IT DOES, BECAUSE I KNOW MIKE DEAN AND I WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MARDI GRAS PARADE AND WE DISCUSSED IT AND HE FINALLY MOVED IT A LITTLE BIT ACROSS 25TH STREET TO 27TH STREET. SO THAT AREA IS GROWING, SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY, UH, RENAMING THAT. AND THE MOBILITY STUDY HAS TO CONSIDER, UH, WEST OF 25TH AS A COMMUNITY. SO THAT 33RD STREET, THAT IS A MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT IS A WELL ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY, 70% OWNERSHIP, KIDS WALK, THEY CROSS. YOU HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT COMMUNITY. SO WITHIN THAT, I JUST, I I I, I AGREE THAT THAT MOBILITY INCLUDES THE PEDESTRIANS AS WELL. SO, UH, THOSE WOULD BE MY, MY COMMENTS IN THAT 33RD STOP. I WOULD MOVE IT CLOSER FURTHER WEST 37TH. GREAT. ALRIGHT. UM, I'VE BEEN WRITING DOWN, AND I'M GONNA SUMMARIZE HERE IN JUST A SECOND WHAT I HEAR EVERYONE KIND OF COMING TOWARDS A CONSENSUS ON. BEFORE I DO THAT, LET'S GET A FEW MORE. WE'RE COMING UP TOWARDS THE END OF OUR TIME. LET'S GET A FEW MORE COMMENTS, MARIE. THAT, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO, UM, WHAT ROGER SAID, BECAUSE I DO THE SAME THING AFTER BIG WEEKENDS OR WHATNOT. I CALL THE THREE LARGEST RESTAURANT PEOPLE AND I TALK TO THE HOTEL PEOPLE AS WELL. UM, AND THEY ARE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE. EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE. AND I THINK THE WAY YOU PUT IT ARE DOING TWO STUDIES. BUT I, AND, AND A CONSULTANT IS GREAT IF, YOU KNOW THE FUNDS ARE THERE TO PAY FOR IT, BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT LIKE, AND HAPPENS TO BE, WE'RE COMING UP ON A GREAT TIME TO LOOK AT 90 DAYS. I MEAN, 'CAUSE TRAFFIC COUNTS. UH, LIKE, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ONES YOU ARE DOING, BUT I KNOW IN THE CITY THERE'S AT LEAST FIVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW. UH, ONE INCLUDES THE SEA WALL ONE'S 3 0 0 5 1 STEWART ROAD. SO WE COULD KIND OF PICK UP A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM THAT. UM, SO, AND I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THE CRUISE BUSINESS IS A GOOD BUSINESS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TWO QUARTER STONES OF OUR CITY IS TOURISM AND A PORT. UM, THEN WE HAVE UTMB AND YOU CAN'T DISCOUNT THAT WE HAVE 1200 PEOPLE COMING IN FROM UTMB EVERY DAY AND LEAVING THE ISLAND. UM, SO I THINK IT'S COURSE 70 TO DO WITH A CONSULTANT A 90 DAY AND THEN TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, WHICH I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE THE BURDEN OF THE COURT. ALRIGHT, LET'S, UM, UM, VIC, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF WIND THIS UP. UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS WE'VE GOT TWO, I THINK RICHARD AND DAVID WANT TO GIVE, UH, AND BOB WANT TO GIVE SOME INPUT. THEN I'LL SUMMARIZE WHAT I HEAR AND THEN, THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, VIC, FOR YOUR SUMMARIZATION TO KIND OF GIVE US WHERE WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE. UH, BOB, QUICKLY, UM, I WANNA TAG ON A LITTLE BIT TO WHAT SHEILA SAID. UM, YOU KNOW, USING A, A, A, UH, EXPERT TO HELP US DEFINE THE SCOPE, I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA. WHAT OUR JOB IS, IS TO DEFINE THE PROBLEM AND THEN HOW TO FIX THAT PROBLEM. WE'RE GONNA NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP WITH, I THINK. I THINK THAT'S A, A GOOD, UM, A GOOD PLACE TO START. AND, UH, I ALSO LIKE, UH, RICHARD'S IDEA OF THE VISION FOR THAT AREA. WE, THAT'S ALSO OUR JOB IS TO, IS TO IDENTIFY THE VISION FOR WHAT WE WANT THAT AREA TO BE. IDENTIFY THE PROBLEM, IDENTIFY OUR VISION. WE DON'T HAVE THE SOLUTIONS. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED A CONSULTANT FOR. AND I THINK WE NEED TO, UM, LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, DEFINING THE PROBLEM, WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHO OUR STAKEHOLDERS ARE, THE PORTS. THE PORT IS A STAKEHOLDER, THE CITY IS A STAKEHOLDER. THE PORT BY EXTENSION IS ALSO THE PEOPLE WHO DO BUSINESS AT THE PORT. EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO GET TO THE PORT TO DO THEIR BUSINESS, THE CRUISE SHIPS. AND FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, UH, OUR, OUR, OUR INTEREST IS OUR STAKEHOLDERS. AND IF WE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS LIMITED AREA OR THE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN IS UNIQUE ON THE ISLAND AS A, AS A DISTRICT BECAUSE IT'S GOT A, A A MIXTURE OF PEOPLE THAT ALL WANT DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY'RE ALL IN ONE PLACE. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE MERCHANTS THERE, YOU GOT THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THOSE MERCHANTS. YOU'VE GOT LOCALS WHO [00:55:01] TRY TO GET THERE. YOU'VE GOT TOURISTS WHO TRY TO GET THERE. YOU'VE GOT CRUISERS WHO ARE TRYING TO GET THROUGH IT. UH, AND YOU, AND YOU GOT RESIDENTS, PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE THERE. AND ALL OF THEM, ALL OF THEM ARE ATTRACTED TO THAT AREA FOR ONE REASON, BUT THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT INTERESTS. SO THOSE STAKEHOLDERS NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE. ALSO, I WANNA, UH, ECHO WHAT MARIE SAID. UTMB IS, IS JUST RIGHT HERE NEXT TO THE, IF EVEN IF WE MAKE A A, UH, A REDUCED AREA, U TM B IS RIGHT THERE. THEY GOT 4,000 PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO WORK EVERY DAY. SOME OF 'EM ON THE ISLAND, SOME 'EM OFF THE ISLAND, BUT THEY'RE COMING RIGHT THROUGH THIS AREA THAT, THAT HAS TO BE, THAT THEY HAVE TO BE AT THE TABLE, EVEN IF WE DON'T INCLUDE UTMB AND THE PROJECT AREA. AND THEN WHAT, UH, I THINK WILLIE SAID ABOUT BROADWAY IS IMPORTANT, UH, AS PART OF THE STUDY BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR CORRIDOR, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO MAKE THE STUDY GO ALL THE WAY FROM WATERFRONT TO BROADWAY. UH, BUT ANY ANYBODY LOOKING AT THIS IS GONNA LOOK AT THE MAJOR CORRIDORS THAT, THAT SERVICE THESE DIFFERENT AREAS. SO I THINK BROADWAY, BROADWAY WOULD BE IMPORTANT, BUT, UH, I, I DO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS AND MAKE THIS AREA, UH, UH, NOT SO BIG THAT WE CAN'T, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S GONNA TAKE TOO LONG TO DO A BIGGER STUDY. IT'S GONNA BE TOO MORE EXPENSIVE TO DO A BIGGER STUDY. AND WE HAVE TO, UH, WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND FOCUS THIS AREA. BUT, YOU KNOW, TO, IF WE, ANY PLANNER KNOWS THIS, ANY ARCHITECT PLANNER ENGINEER KNOWS THIS, THE WORD PLAN INDICATES AND IT MEANS WE'RE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE. SO WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE THINGS, UH, IN, IN TERMS OF SPECIALTY, LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT AREA. AND I'LL JUST REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER. UH, POST OFFICE STREET TO THE NORTH IS FULLY DEVELOPED. IT'S BUSY, IT MATURE. IF WE GO AT LEAST ONE BLOCK FURTHER, THAT ANTICIPATING SOME GROWTH, YOU KNOW, UH, AND THEN THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR 14TH STREET. 14TH STREET, VERY BUSY AND IT'S MATURE. LET'S JUST GO ONE MORE STREET TO, OR MAYBE EVEN THE 10TH, I THINK. YEAH, MAYBE EVEN THE 10TH WHERE THE CRUISE SHIP IS, YOU KNOW, MAY, MAYBE THAT'S THE EASTERN BOUNDARY WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING, BUT WHAT WE SHOULD, I THINK A, A GOOD WAY TO START WOULD BE SOMEBODY SAID, REAL RICHARD SAID THE REAL ESTATE COMPANY, A REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE, UH, KIND OF GET TOGETHER ON THIS, UH, FOCUS ON WHAT PROBLEMS WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE, UH, AND, AND ENGAGE A CONSULTANT TO, TO ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR BEST PATH TO SOLVING THIS PROBLEM? AND TRY TO CREATE AN RFP THAT WE CAN, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN REVIEW. ALRIGHT, RICHARD, AND THEN I'LL MAKE IT QUICK. YES, SIR. I WAS, I I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, COME AWAY FROM HERE WITH AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AT LEAST, UH, AT, MAYBE WE'RE AT A POINT OF CONSENSUS THAT THIS WILL BE A JOINT STUDY STRUCTURED AS A JOINT STUDY BETWEEN THE PORT AND THE CITY. OKAY. THAT'S ONE. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS, UM, AND WHEN I SAY JOINT, I MEAN SPONSORSHIP BASICALLY. AND THEN I THINK THAT WE SHOULD LOOK, SECOND PART HAS TO DO WITH COST, AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT UTILIZING SOME HOTEL MOTEL TAXES IN THIS STUDY, UH, BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY ADDRESSING THE IMPACT OF TOURISM AND, AND WOULD BE DESIGNED TO INCREASE THE, UH, AVAILABILITY TO THE AREA OF, OF TOURIST. I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENT I'M NOT GETTING DOWN TO, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT WOULD BE A, AN APPROPRIATE FUNDING SOURCE. OKAY. UH, JUST ONE, JUST ONE SEC. JUST ONE SECOND PLEASE. MARIE. UM, WHAT WE'LL DO, WE'LL TAKE JUST A COUPLE MORE THOUGHTS, THEN I'M GONNA HAVE, UH, VIC SUMMARIZE WHAT HE THINKS I'LL GIVE MY SUMMARIZATIONS AND THEN WE'LL GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF. NOW WE'VE GOT ALEX AND MARIE REAL QUICKLY, PLEASE. UM, WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS, IS MAKE THIS MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT HAS TO BE. I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE DELVED INTO, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. UM, I, I'M SURE THAT THEY HAVE, THAT THE COMPANIES THAT THE WARS BOARD HAS USED BEFORE EXPERTISE HAVE EXPERTISE IN IT. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO GO FIND. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE. SO EVEN IF IT'S JUST A TOUCH UP OR IDENTIFYING THE, YOU KNOW, I, I JUST THINK THE, MAYBE NOT PICKING THE SCOPE. I MEAN THE, THE LAST MILE OF, UH, THE LAST MILE IS A GOOD ONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL GOTTA GET 'EM INTO THE CHA, YOU KNOW, CHANNEL 'EM IN TO GET TO THE LAST MILE. SO LET'S NOT MAKE THIS MORE COMPLICATED. IT HAS TO BE THE HOT TEXT THING. I'M NOT SURE, UH, WE'RE GETTING A BIG ASK LATER TODAY WITH HOT TECH. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MAYBE DO IN THE FUTURE, BUT I, I THINK WE SHOULD STICK TO WHAT THE PRIVATE PARTNERS WANNA DO. LET'S NOT MAKE IT COMPLICATED. LET'S GET IT DONE QUICK AND EFFICIENTLY. UM, 'CAUSE TIME IS MONEY AND MONEY IS TIME. ALRIGHT, MARIE, REAL QUICKLY, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A WORD CHANGE. HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTING [01:00:01] TO COME HERE TO SPEND MONEY IS NOT A PROBLEM. IT'S MORE A STUDY OF ISSUES. A PROBLEM WOULD BE NOT HAVING PEOPLE COME HERE. YES. HAVING AN ABUNDANCE OF PEOPLE. IT'S A BLESSING THAT WE KNOW THERE ARE ISSUES. SO IT'S STUDYING THE ISSUES. SO I WOULD LIKE US TO SAY ISSUES FIRST. IT'S WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? LET BE, UH, BO HAS, UH, HELD UP AND HAD IT, NOT ANYTHING, BUT BO YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS? YEAH, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE JUST HOW, HOW PRODUCTIVE AND, AND GREAT OF A BOARD WE HAVE NOW PUT TOGETHER. I THANK ALL OF Y'ALL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND, AND THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ROGER AND ROGER THAT YOU KNOW, THE, THE VISION AND THE INSIGHT AND, AND PUTTING THOSE THINGS INTO ACTION ALONG THE WAY. I APPRECIATE ALL Y'ALL AND, AND YOU KNOW, I I'M ALSO KIND OF ON THE ASSUMPTION OF IT'S GREAT TO, UM, LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT IT'S ALSO BETTER FOR US TO KIND OF STAY OUTTA YOUR WAY AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE Y'ALL REPRESENTING US. UM, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD ON THIS MOBILITY STUDY IS JUST LOOKING BEYOND JUST THE CRUISE LINES. UM, LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING ON WITH CARGO AND THOSE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'VE GOT COMING WITH, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION WE'RE DOING FURTHER WEST ON THE DOCKS THERE. I THINK THAT'S NOT ONLY IMPORTANT, UM, TO GIVE US A MIXTURE OF BUSINESS, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR, UM, THE WORKERS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DEPEND ON THEM LIVING AND, AND WORKING IN THIS COMMUNITY. SECOND, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR BRINGING ON DAVIES AND, AND US, NOT EVEN REALLY TO ME BEING PUT BEING TO PUT A, BEING ABLE TO PUT A HANDLE ON WHAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND, AND WHAT THE ADDITIONAL STAFF AND, AND SUPPLYING THAT COMPANY IS GONNA TAKE. BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY GOOD, EVEN THOUGH A SMALL PART OF IT AT THAT PELICAN ISLAND BRIDGE, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA BE A BIG PART OF THE TRAFFIC COMING DOWN HARBOR SIDE. SO JUST THINGS LIKE THAT OF NOT JUST LOOKING DIRECTLY AT, UM, OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY, UH, BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'VE GOT HEADED OUR WAY AND BRINGING THAT ALL TOGETHER. UM, BUT THANK Y'ALL FOR WHAT YOU DO. THANK Y'ALL FOR WORKING SO HARD TOGETHER AND YOU KNOW, I I'M REALLY GLAD WE HAVE A, A GREAT MIXTURE OF MINDS. IT'S NOT JUST LIKE EVERYONE JUST DOES WHAT THEY SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OR JUST DOES WHAT? IT'S A, IT'S A TEAM AND IT'S A TEAM, BUT I'VE SEEN WORK REALLY HARD TOGETHER. I I SEE Y'ALL IN THE COMMUNITY WORKING TOGETHER. IT'S NOT LIKE Y'ALL ARE JUST THERE FOR, FOR TAKING UP SPACE. I MEAN, Y'ALL ACTUALLY, I THINK LIKE EACH OTHER AND WORK TOGETHER WELL. SO THAT WAS VERY GOOD. ALRIGHT, REALLY JUST REAL QUICKLY, TWO SECONDS. ALL I WANNA SAY IS I, I WANNA THANK OUR STAFF FOR GOING FORWARD AND, AND SEEKING OUT ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC. AND ROGER'S ALLUDED TO THAT, THE PUBLIC COMMENT STAGES, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT, LIKE HE SAID, THESE PEOPLE KIND OF REPRESENT THAT THROUGH TOURISTS OR FEEDBACK THEY GET. SO THANK Y'ALL FOR LETTING US KNOW THESE ISSUES. SO ALTHOUGH WE DON'T SEE IT AT THE MEETINGS WHEN WE SAY, COME ON AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF DOING RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST WANNA POINT THAT OUT. NICK, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU SIR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I THINK WE'RE AT THE END OF OUR TIME AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MADE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE WATERS BOARD AND THE COUNCIL AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PART OF IT. SO WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. ALRIGHT. AND, UH, BEFORE I, BEFORE THE, UH, WHA BOARD CLOSES THEIR MEETING THIS MORNING, JUST SOME THOUGHTS I HAVE. I FEEL THERE'S A CONSENSUS AT THE TABLE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT A MOBILITY STUDY. IT NEEDS TO BE MULTIMODAL IN NATURE, UH, ON THAT. UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT PEDESTRIAN AS WELL AS VEHICULAR TYPE, UH, MOVEMENT. UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WHAT STARTED THIS WHOLE, UM, DISCUSSION IS THE PORT, UH, REALLY SITTING OUT THERE AND BECOMING PROACTIVE TO ADDRESS NOT ONLY WHAT THE CONCERNS ARE NOW, BUT WHAT WE SEE COMING IN THE FUTURE. UM, THAT THERE'S A, WE WANT TO CONCENTRATE ON, UH, BOUNDARIES THAT ARE MANAGEABLE TO GIVE US THE RESULTS THAT WE WANT FROM THE DISCUSSION THAT WE, AND THIS MORNING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10TH AND 33RD AND UH, ALSO FROM THE WATERFRONT UP TO CHURCH. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS A THOUGHT TOO AT THE TABLE THAT WE MAY WANT TO HAVE A BROADER STUDY OF THE ENTIRE ISLAND. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT AS A SEPARATE TYPE STUDY TO LOOK AT A LARGER STUDY COMING UP. THERE WAS MENTION ABOUT POSSIBLY HAVING AT THE PORT LEVEL, HAVING THIS RUN THROUGH THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE TO POSSIBLY VET AND COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. [01:05:01] BUT I WOULD LEAVE THAT UP MORE TO, UH, THE PORT AND TO THEIR STAFF TO DETERMINE THAT. SO SAYING ALL THAT, I THINK THAT WE COULD GIVE DIRECTION TO OUR STAFF, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, TO WORK WITH PARK BOARD STAFF, UH, TO COME UP WITH SOME THOUGHTS AROUND THE IDEAS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS MORNING AND COME BACK WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WHAT THEY THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TOPIC. IS THERE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS THERE? DID YOU MEAN PARK BOARD OR WAR BOARD OR BOTH? I'M SORRY. I GET PART WHAT WARS BOARD? YES, SIR. PARK BOARD COLLEGE. YEAH, THAT THREW ME. IT WAS FORT FORT BOARD. SO THANK YOU VIC. UH, I WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY. UH, YOU CAN SEE, UH, IF I, WE COUNSEL, I'M GONNA PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK. UH, LOOK AT WHAT WE APPOINTED TO THIS WARS BOARD. WE'VE GOT SOME OF THE BEST MINDS IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW WORKING ON THIS, ON THIS, UH, WARS BOARD. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I, I BELIEVE, UNLESS WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES, WHICH I SEE NONE, THE WARS BOARD MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VIC, VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.