* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. AROUND THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S [00:00:01] SOMETHING, THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG. OKAY, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND CALL US TO ORDER [A. CALL TO ORDER] HERE. IT'S 1 31. I THINK MARIE IS COMING. I UNDERSTAND. I WANNA WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE MEETING ON THE TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 10TH, NOW 1 31. AND ANGIE, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE? YES, SIR. CHAIRMAN, JEFF PATTERSON. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER WILLIE GONZALEZ. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER RICHARD MOORE. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER BOB BROWN. HERE. COMMITTEE MEMBER SHARON LEWIS. PRESIDENT COMMITTEE MEMBER MARIE ROTH. SHE'S PROBABLY ON HER WAY. WE ALSO HAVE AN ATTENDANCE TRUSTEE SHEILA LIT STONE COUNCIL MEMBER . AND IS THAT IT? AND ROGER. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. AND THANKS TO ALL THAT ARE HERE. AND THANKS ALSO TO THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE IN THE BACK THERE. THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR JOINING US. UH, DECLARE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM. ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? SO HEARING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO [B. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ] COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. AND WE HAVE ONE FROM MS. CHARLOTTE O'ROURKE. CHARLOTTE. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHARLOTTE O'ROURKE 1120 CREEK, UH, CHURCH STREET. AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MOBILITY PLAN A LITTLE BIT ON THE MASTER PLAN AND TALK ABOUT AIR POLLUTION. SO MY, MY ISSUE WITH THE PORT IS THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ADEQUATE PLANNING WITH THE CITY. SO WE ARE GETTING ALL THESE CRUISE TERMINALS IN AND WE'RE NOW GOING DOWN BROADWAY AND TURNING ON NORTH SOUTH STREETS THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. AND WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE PLANNED THAT WELL WITH THE CITY. 'CAUSE YOU WOULD NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS TO WRITE TICKETS AND THAT SEEMS STAGNANT. SO GALVESTON HAS A HIGH CRIME RATE. WE KEEP REDUCING OUR POPULATION AND A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH ACTIONS TAKEN BY BOARD, SUCH AS YOURSELF THAT'S NOT APPROVED AND GO AGAINST THE CITY'S PLANS. SO THEY HAVE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND THEY HAVE, UH, CORRIDOR PLANS AND NONE OF THEM INCLUDE GOING DOWN BROADWAY AND TURNING ON NORTH SOUTH STREETS AND NOT HAVING ADEQUATE SIDEWALKS, STREETS THAT CAN HANDLE THE BIG BUSES, THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY KNOW THAT I STARTED OFF MY CAREER IN RESPIRATORY THERAPY AND I HAVE A BIG INTEREST IN AIR POLLUTION. NOW I'M FOR INDUSTRY, BUT I BELIEVE INDUSTRY CAN BE FITTING INTO THAT ISSUE OF AIR POLLUTION. BUT WE NOW HAVE FOUR BIG CITIES SITTING OUT THERE. AND IN YOUR MASTER PLAN, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING FROM BA ON SHORE SIDE POWER AND THE COST OF THAT SHORE SIDE POWER. AND SINCE I LIVE SO CLOSE TO THE BOARD AND YOU COULD TELL THAT I HAVE BREATHING ISSUES WITH ASTHMA, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S VERY HIGH ON MY LIST. 'CAUSE I USED TO TAKE CARE OF LITTLE BABIES THAT HAD THOSE BREATHING PROBLEMS. SO I'D LIKE YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE PLANNING BEFORE YOU START PUTTING IN MORE CRUISE SHIPS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A UNREASONABLE REQUEST BECAUSE IN THE AIR POLLUTION, BOTH LNG AND NON LNG PRODUCE THESE ULTRA FINE PARTICLES. AND THOSE PARTICLES ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE TERMINALS AND THE US GOVERNMENT DOESN'T MEASURE THEM, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN LINKED AND CORRELATED TO ALZHEIMER'S. SO IF I EVER COME UP HERE AND I DON'T KNOW MY NAME, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF MY BIG FEARS IS TO BE ABLE, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP YOUR COMPETENCE ALL THROUGH YOUR LIFE AS YOU GO THROUGH LIFE. AND SO IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER THOSE THINGS WHEN YOU'RE ADDRESSING THE MASTER PLAN, I APPRECIATE IT. AND TO ME, THE LACK OF PLANNING IS SHOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE HAVING THIS MEETING AND THEN TOMORROW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON YOUR MASTER PLAN. AND I SURE HOPE YOU DON'T VOTE TOMORROW. YOU PUT IT BACK THROUGH CITY COUNCIL AND YOU LET PEOPLE DISCUSS. 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW YOU'RE GOING THROUGH NORTH SOUTH STREET, THROUGH THE EAST END NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS A HISTORIC DISTRICT. AND YOU RECEIVED HISTORIC, YOU RECEIVED FEDERAL MONEY FOR THAT AND YOU DIDN'T DO THE APPROPRIATE CHECKS FOR A HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU CHARLOTTE. SO MOVING ON [C.1 Discuss and Consider Mobility Study (RFQ) ] TO THE BUSINESS ITEMS C ONE DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER MOBILITY STUDY ARE Q SO I THINK IN YOUR PACKET THERE IS A DRAFT OF A RFQ. JUST RIGHT, TURN THAT OVER TO YOU. YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS. YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THIS. MR. JEFFREY. HEY JEFFREY. YEAH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I, UH, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK [00:05:01] BRIEF ON, ON HOW WE GOT HERE TO THIS DAY IS, UH, LAST YEAR Y'ALL HAD, UH, SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE, UM, AND CAME UP WITH A SCOPE OF WORK THAT ALSO INCLUDED SOME PIECES OF, UH, RFQ UH, DOCUMENT. UM, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK THE COURT'S, UH, UH, UH, STANDARD, UH, RFQ REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS DOCUMENT USED FOR CURING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. AND, UH, WENT THROUGH THE, THE PROCESS OF KIND OF TAKING THAT SCOPE OF WORK, MENDING IT INTO THE, UH, UH, RFQ DOCUMENT WE HAVE. UM, AND THEN, UH, A COUPLE OF THE BIGGER CHANGES YOU'LL SEE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE, UM, LOOKING AT IS, IS KIND OF ESTABLISHING A, A GOAL, A A DRAFT GOAL FOR, FOR THE MOBILITY STUDY. AND IF YOU'RE LOOKING, UH, AT THE DOCUMENT, IT'S UNDER PAGE THREE, SECOND PARAGRAPH UNDER SECTION THREE PURPOSE. AND THAT, THAT, UH, IS THE GOAL THAT WE HAD INSERTED IN THERE. UH, WITH RESPECT TO, UH, THE MOBILITY STUDY, WE, WE SAY, UH, THE GOAL OF THE MOBILITY STUDY IS TO DEVELOP PLANS TO MITIGATE ADVERSE EFFECTS OF TRAFFIC ON THE GALVESTON CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND ADJACENT EASTERN DISTRICT. THE MOBILITY PLAN WILL ALSO PROVIDE SOLUTIONS TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF VISITORS TO THE CBD BY MAKING PARKING MORE AVAILABLE FOR AND PROVIDING MORE ACCESS TO THE CBD PLAN WILL CONSIDER PORT OPERATIONS AND PORT PARKING ASSETS TO MAKE ALVESTON CBD MORE ACCESSIBLE DURING PEAK PORT OPERATIONS. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO BRING TO Y'ALL AND SEE, UM, HAVE, UH, IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHTS ON UPDATES TO THAT OR CORRECTIONS TO THAT. BUT, UM, WE FEEL THAT THE GOAL HELPS KIND OF GET THIS PLAN KICKED OFF AND GIVE CONSULTANTS THAT WOULD BE TAKING A LOOK AT THIS REALLY KIND OF THAT STAR WE'RE AIMING FOR. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, THE, THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS DEVELOPED, WHICH IS NOW IN, UH, ATTACHMENT A DESCRIBES THE AREA. UM, I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE, A LOT OF DISCUSSION EARLY IN DECEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING ON THE AREA OF, UH, STUDY. AND SO WE, WE, UH, TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY KIND OF PUT IN WHAT, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED THERE, BUT IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHTS ON, ON THAT STUDY. AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT JUST GOES THROUGH THE, THE DIFFERENT TASK LINE ITEMS, UH, FROM PROJECT INITIATION, EXISTING CONDITIONS, OPERATIONAL SAFETY ANALYSIS. VERY FEW CHANGES WERE MADE ALONG THAT SECTION. UH, BUT THAT WAS MOSTLY KIND OF THE, THE DOCUMENT THAT Y'ALL HAD PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED. ALRIGHT. AND JUST MAYBE FOR CLARITY ON, ON THE SCOPE, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT? I KNOW IT'S HARD TO, KIND OF HARD TO READ ON THE DIAGRAM, BUT THE, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SCOPE. YEAH, THE BOUNDARIES ARE, UH, WESTERN BOUNDARIES. 33RD STREET, THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IS CHURCH STREET. THE EASTERN BOUNDARY IS 14TH STREET. BUT THEN I KIND OF JUST HAD IT ONCE IT GOT INTO THE PORT AND JUST WENT TO THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE ACTUAL OPERATING PORT FOR, UH, EXCLUDING, UH, THE VEHICLE PROCESSING CENTER. I'LL ADD A COUPLE THINGS TO THAT. UM, I ALSO, UH, WE GAVE EVERYBODY HERE ON THE COMMITTEE, UM, A ZIP DRIVE, WHICH HAS, UM, THE, I I GUESS YOU'D CALL IT OUR, UH, SAFE STREET PROGRAM THAT WAS DONE LAST YEAR AND HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT SINCE THEN WITH THE, UH, WITH FREEZING NICHOLS AND COLONELS BACK THERE TODAY. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO POINT OUT ABOUT THAT IS IT REALLY IS A MOBILITY PLAN ALREADY. IT JUST ONLY IF ONLY TOUCHES ON THE PORT AND HARBORSIDE DRIVE MM-HMM . AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, I THINK IS EXPAND THAT. SO I THOUGHT THIS, WE GAVE EVERYBODY A COPY OF THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT THIS WAS REALLY GOOD INFORMATION ON WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE RESULTS OF OUR, UH, I, I WON'T CALL IT A MOBILITY PLAN, BUT SAFE STREETS PROGRAM. UH, AND, AND THE RESULTS OF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, ADDED TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA, I THINK DO WITH THIS RFQ SHOULD MAKE IT A LOT MORE COMPREHENSIVE. 'CAUSE THIS IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT AND, AND SO COMPREHENSIVE, IT WAS ACCEPTED BY, UH, THE FEDERAL AGENCY. UM, AND ALSO, UH, THE STATE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS GAVE US $2.8 MILLION TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN. SO WE HAVE A, UH, WE HAVE A GRANT FOR 2.8 MILLION TO, THIS WAS MOSTLY FOCUSED ON, UH, MOBILITY BETWEEN THE PORT AND HOW IT'S AFFECTED BY HARBORSIDE DRIVE AND THE, THE PLANS THAT WE WOULD, THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD DO TO HARBORSIDE DRIVE TO MAKE IT SAFER. AND SO WE, THERE WAS A, A TOTAL SCOPE THAT CAME OUT OF THIS PLAN OF ABOUT $10 MILLION WORTH OF WORK. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE DID, WE, WE HAVE APPLIED AGAIN FOR THE FEDERAL FUNDS, BUT THE STATE ALSO SAW THIS AND GAVE US 2.8 MILLION [00:10:01] TO START IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THESE THINGS. AND THESE WERE, YOU KNOW, MAKING BETTER INTERSECTIONS MORE, MORE, UH, UM, DEFINABLE, UM, AND, AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YOU CAN GET A CHANCE TO READ. I MEAN, IT'S ABOUT 160 PAGES. IT'S A VERY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT. BUT WE, WE KIND OF FEEL LIKE THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE ALREADY ON THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HANDLES HARBORSIDE DRIVE AS IT RELATES TO THE PORT, IT REALLY DOESN'T, UH, REALLY DOESN'T, UM, TALK ABOUT THE STRAND, UH, AND, AND HARBORSIDE DRIVE AS MUCH. SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY, WE HAVE A LOT TO, TO, WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALMOST $3 MILLION TO IMPLEMENT PART OF THAT. AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE FEDS, UM, GETTING, UH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING AN APPLICATION IN FOR THAT. UH, BUT IT WAS ABOUT $10 MILLION WORTH OF WORK, AND WE GOT ABOUT $3 MILLION FROM THE STATE. THEY, THEY THOUGHT THE PLAN WAS GOOD ENOUGH THAT THEY DECIDED TO, TO GIVE US MONEY ON IT. AND SO, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE KIND OF THINK MAYBE WE'RE A THIRD OF THE WAY DOWN ON HARBORSIDE DRIVE IMPROVEMENTS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST FIELD, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WE SEE IS NOT HAVING A SYNCHRONIZED TRAFFIC SYSTEM, TRAFFIC TO LIGHT SYSTEM. AND I MEAN, ACTUALLY IT DOES SYNCHRONIZE, BUT IT'S, BUT WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS IT'S ALL, UM, ANALOG. SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY AUTOMATED. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO GO IN THERE AND PUSH THE BUTTONS AT EACH LIGHT TO MAKE IT WORK. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAD A, ONE OF THE SENIOR MEMBERS OF, UH, TECH STOP CAME DOWN HERE TO, UH, TAKE A CRUISE. AND THIS HAS BEEN A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT, AND HIS COMMENTS WERE, HOW COME I HAVE TO STOP AT EVERY TRACK, LIKE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, UM, EACH, EACH, UH, TERMINAL. SO HE WAS DOWN HERE FOR A CRUISE. AND SO NOW THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND. WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE THAT WE THINK HANDLES THAT FOOTPRINT, UM, AND COULD BE A VERY MUCH OF A SUPPLEMENT TO WHAT WE COME UP WITH ON THIS, THIS RFQ JEFF DID I, I PRONOUNCE THAT RIGHT, JEFF. I MEAN, DID I, DID I GIVE THE RIGHT DESCRIPTION OF THAT? SAFE STREETS? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, AB ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IT'S, UH, UM, THE, UH, I'M TRYING, YEAH. YES. I WOULD SAY THE, THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. YES. AND THIS WAS, WE, WE RECEIVED A GRANT TO DO THIS, WHICH WAS FROM HGAC FOR, UH, 400,000. SO WE SPENT 400,000 ON THIS STUDY AND CAME BACK WITH PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE, UH, PICTURE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON HARBORSIDE DRIVE AND AS FAR AS SIGNAGE AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND, AND REALLY GETTING ACROSS HARBORSIDE DRIVE, BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS FROM HARBORSIDE DRIVE INTO THE STRENGTH. SO RICHARD HAD A QUESTION. YEAH. I WAS GONNA ASK IF, UH, IF YOU'RE READY FOR QUESTIONS, AND THEN YEAH, LET'S ALWAYS ABSOLUTELY. I WAS TRY, I MEAN, THE THING I WAS TRYING TO THINK WHEN ROGER ASKED THE QUESTION IS, FOCUS OF CSP ALSO IS LIKE TDOT'S GOAL ZERO AND ZERO ACTS OF ZERO FATALITIES ON TEXAS ROAD, TOO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CORE PIECE OF THAT. SO HOW DO WE, I I, I WISH I'D HAD THIS, SO I HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF TIME, BUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE INCORPORATION OR THE INFORMING THAT WOULD BE DONE BY THE, UH, FREEZE AND NICHOLS PLAN? HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT IN THE RFP? UH, IT IS PART OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, SO, SO WHOEVER WOULD BE SELECTED WOULD BE REVIEWING THAT DATA ALONG WITH THINGS THAT THE CITY'S WORKING ON. I KNOW THE CITY'S WORKING ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE WORKING ON, UH, AS MAYOR BROWN POINTED UP THE LAST MEETING, UH, THE, UH, I THINK IT'S STREET SCAPE, UH, RIGHT. IMPROVEMENTS TO DOWNTOWN. AND, AND SO WITH RESPECT TO SCOPE OF WORK, THERE AREN'T EXPLICIT DETAILED STEPS IN HERE, BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S SHOWN AS FAR AS COORDINATION ON WHAT THE CONSULTANT WOULD, WOULD BE SELECTED WOULD BE DOING AS FAR AS ALL THE WORK WE'LL BE TAKING AS PART OF IT. OKAY. AND, AND COLONEL, GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY. WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY MAYBE HELPFUL JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAY AN RFQ AND AN RFP AND AN RF, MAYBE JUST, SO YEAH, GENERAL DESCRIPTION, FIRM PROCUREMENT. I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS, UH, CONSIDERED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, THE STATE OF TEXAS ENGINEERING SERVICES AND ARCHITECTURE SERVICES. THERE'S LIKE 12 ITEMS. AND FOR THOSE ITEMS, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSIDER COST AS AN EVALUATION, UH, FACTOR. SO WE HAVE TO PUT OUT A, UH, A DOCUMENT AND RECEIVE PROPOSALS OF JUST QUALIFICATIONS, CAPABILITIES, EXPERIENCE. AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE DETERMINED, AND, AND, AND THE STATUTE DOESN'T REALLY GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, DETAIL ON HOW YOU SELECT THE HIGHEST RANKED, UH, QUAL QUALIFIED FIRM. BUT IT SAYS YOU HAVE TO RANK FIRMS BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS ONLY, THEN YOU MUST START [00:15:01] WITH THE HIGHEST RANKED FIRM, NEGOTIATE PRICE ONE ON ONE. IF YOU DON'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, YOU END NEGOTIATIONS AND MOVE ON TO THE SECOND, AND SO ON SO FORTH, UNTIL YOU GET TO A, A, A, A SUCCESSFUL CONTRACT, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM AN RFP WHERE YOU'RE DOING LIKE, UH, GOODS AND SERVICES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND IN THAT CASE, YOU ARE A RANKING COST AND QUALIFICATIONS EXPERIENCE. BUT, BUT IN THIS PROCESS, WE DON'T GET, WE CAN'T LOOK AT COST UNTIL WE HAVE OUR BACK ORDER CONSULT. SO IF THE, SO IF THE, WHOEVER WE SELECT TO DO THIS, UH, THINKS THEY HAVE A BETTER IDEA ABOUT TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT FRIES AND NICHOLS SUGGESTED, ARE WE ENCOURAGING THEM TO BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION IN, IN, UM, IN THIS SITUATION, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO EITHER COMPLIMENT OR, OR, OR CONFLICT WITH THE CURRENT CSP AND WHAT'S CSP? THE C UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY ACTION THING. GOT IT. OKAY. UM, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BUT IF THEY COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD WOULDN'T CON CONFLICT MM-HMM . MM-HMM . WITH, UM, I, I'M JUST, I'M CONCERNED. I DON'T WANT TO TIE THEIR HANDS MM-HMM . BY SOME, CORRECT. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD. AND I DON'T THINK, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT, THERE'S GONNA BE A, A A THOUSAND DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SOLUTIONS ARE GONNA COME IN A THOUSAND DIFFERENT COLORS, AND JUST BECAUSE THEY AREN'T EXPLICITLY THE SAME SOLUTION DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY CAN'T COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE ONE RECOMMENDATION NEGATES THE OTHER. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE MOBILITY STUDY SAYS, WE NEED TO CLOSE AN INTERSECTION HERE, RIGHT. AND THE CSP SAID, WE ARE GONNA IMPROVE THAT INTERSECTION, THAT'S GONNA BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK AT. YEAH. OKAY. BUT, BUT WE TELL THEM IN THE RFP THAT THERE WILL BE INSTANCES THAT, UH, YOUR RECOMMENDATION MAY CONFLICT WITH EXISTING RECOMMENDATIONS. AND WE WANT, WE WANT YOUR INPUT ON THAT REGARDING, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT SITUATION ISN'T NECESSARILY HANDLED EXPLICITLY THAT WAY. BUT, BUT THE WAY THAT THE, THE, THE PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK WOULD HANDLE THAT, IS THAT THERE WILL BE A STAKEHOLDER GROUP THAT IS, IS, IS PART OF THIS. UM, AND, AND SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS CASE BY CASE BASIS AS THEY COME UP. OKAY. WHICH WAY WOULD BE, AND THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO IT. I'M, I'M JUST, AND THIS IS NOT MEANT TO INFLUENCE ANYBODY, RICHARD. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. WELL, YEAH. WELL, THAT'S, SOMEBODY COULD SAY, WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS. THAT'S MY, MY POINT IS, I THINK WE NEED TO NOT BE TOO DIRECTIVE MM-HMM . SO THAT WE DON'T GET THAT ABSOLUTE FULL IMPACT OF THE TALENT THAT WE BRING IN HERE. YOU WILL HAVE THAT CHANCE, CORRECT. OH YEAH. WE'LL HAVE THAT CHANCE. YEAH. WILLIE WAS NEXT IN BOB, JUST REAL QUICK, ROGER, YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE 2.8 MILLION TO SPEND ON THAT, RIGHT? DID THEY GIVE YOU BOUNDARIES? I KNOW YOU SAID THE PORT. HOW ABOUT, UM, EAST, WEST? WELL, YOU, WHAT, YOU HAVE TO NOW HAVE MEETINGS, RIGHT? YOU'LL HAVE MEETINGS WITH, UM, THE STATE. IT'S REALLY TDOT, RIGHT? IT'S REALLY TDOT. YEAH. AND WE'LL HAVE MEETINGS WITH TDOT AND, AND DECIDE THE SCOPE OF THE 2.8 MILLION. SO 2.8 MILLION WAS GIVEN TO US. I MEAN, AND I, I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF IT WAS GIVEN TO US BASED ON THIS PRODUCT. YES, IT WAS BASED ON THAT AND SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WERE IN THAT, THAT WE SUBMITTED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SUBMIT THE WHOLE $10 MILLION. AND SO WHILE THERE ARE THINGS LISTED IN THERE FOR THE $2.8 MILLION, THERE WASN'T A DETAILED SCOPE OF WORK WRITTEN FOR THE 2.8. SO THAT'S GONNA BE THE PROCESS. NOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE APPROVED THAT GRANT, WE'VE GOTTA GO BACK, HIRE A PROFESSIONAL TO DETAIL THAT SCOPE SO THEN WE CAN BID OUT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND MOVE FORWARD. AND SO, I GUESS WITH ANY OF THIS OTHER ONE THAT AREN'T EXPLICITLY TALKED ABOUT, COULD THAT BE THEN USED FOR CONNECTIVITY TO THE STRAND? AND THAT'S REALLY MORE, THAT'S WHAT THE DIRECTION IS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THE DIRECTION IN THE RFQ IS. WELL, THERE'S NO DIRECTION IN RQ YOU'RE LOOKING FOR QUALIFICATIONS. THAT'S IT. RIGHT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHO'S QUALIFIED TO DO THIS, AND THEN THE CONVERSATIONS BEGIN. YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHERE, WHERE NO, I GET, I GET WHAT YOU THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WHERE, WHERE ELSE THE MONEY CAN BE SPENT IF NEEDS. BECAUSE I GO INTO WHERE THE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT COULD BE SPENT ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 'CAUSE THIS IS SPECIFICALLY RIGHT FOR THIS, BUT THIS IS GONNA COMPLIMENT WHATEVER YOU DO. YEAH. THIS IS GONNA COMPLIMENT DID IT DID, BUT AGAIN, IS IT EASTERN? WE, DID THEY GIVE YOU A JURISDICTION AS S NOT THAT RIGHT. WHICH ONE? THE, SEE WE IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE CAN LET, YEAH. I MEAN, CARL, IF YOU DON'T MIND STEPPING UP, I MEAN, OR, OR YOUR GROUP, BECAUSE [00:20:01] I ASKED HIM TO COME JUST TO, YOU KNOW, JUST IN CASE THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE DONE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS YOUR EXPERT RIGHT HERE. HE'S DONE THIS AROUND THE COUNTRY. GREAT. THANK. ALRIGHT. UH, SO AS WE PUT TOGETHER THE GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVE, UH, IT REALLY FOCUSED ON PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE MOBILITY. IT'S, IT'S NOT FOR THE SAFETY CARS OUT OF THE TA GRANT, ALTHOUGH THE INTERSECTION SAFETY OVERALL IMPROVED. SO REAL FOCUS IS, YOU KNOW, GETTING, GETTING THE PEDESTRIANS ACROSS HARBORSIDE SAFELY BACK AND FORTH TO THE PORT, WHICH WILL IN TURN OPEN UP THAT, THAT CROSS FLOW AND ENHANCE THAT CAPABILITY. SO IN SOME WAYS, IT STARTS TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE MOBILITY PLAN. IT ONLY GOES A BLOCK DEEP AND YOU WANT TO GO A LITTLE FURTHER AND LOOK AT THE OVERALL IMPLICATIONS OF CONNECTING TWO OF THEM MORE FROM, UH, BUT YEAH, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND $2.8 MILLION IS, IS REALLY JUST GONNA SET THE STAGE FOR THE BIGGER PICTURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT. AND BASIC, I GUESS THIS WAS ROGER, WE REVIEWED, I GUESS SEVERAL BOARD MEETINGS AGO, BUT THERE WAS A, BASICALLY THERE WAS 11 INTERSECTIONS RIGHT? BETWEEN, UH, 14TH STREET AND 25TH STREET THAT WE, I THINK WERE IDENTIFIED AS KIND OF THE HIGH IMPACT. THIS, THIS, THIS WAS, UH, THIS WAS LAST YEAR. YEAH. I MEAN, THIS WAS MARCH OF LAST YEAR THAT WE GOT THIS. YEAH, THIS WAS THE BROAD ONE. I THINK THIS, THIS WAS THE, THE SUMMARY, THE FINER SCOPE OF WHAT WAS, I GUESS, COVERED JEFFREY BY THE, WAS APPLIED FOR THE TRANSPORTATION. SO, SO THESE, THESE ARE THE 11 AREAS THAT WE WOULD SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE FOCUSED ON BY THE 2.2 $0.8 MILLION BILLION. SO THOSE, I GUESS IN THE DISCUSSION, THOSE ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD IN THE DESIGN OF THOSE. AND, AND I THINK TO RICHARD'S POINT AND, AND WILLIE'S AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THAT INTEGRATED, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, GO LEFT WHERE WE SHOULD GO, RIGHT? BUT I THINK WE, WE'VE GOT THE MONIES TO GO LOOK AT THESE INTERSECTIONS. WE'VE IDENT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THERE ARE CONCERNS AND ISSUES HERE. SO I THINK THAT TO ME, THEY'RE COMPLIMENTARY AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A BROADER MOBILITY STUDY, THEY HAVE AWARENESS OF WHAT'S IN THIS LARGER PLAN, WHAT'S IN THE, AND, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT'S IN THIS, THESE 11 PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE MOVING FORWARD WITH. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S PART OF THE COORDINATION JEFFREY WRIGHT, IS TO MAKE SURE THE CATS ARE ALL HERDED AND MOVING AND MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION THERE. BUT I GUESS SHORT ANSWER THERE, THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, WE'VE IDENTIFIED VERY SPECIFIC, THERE'S SOME PRETTY SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE INTERSECTIONS. AND I THINK ANY OF US THAT GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT 14TH STREET OR 25TH STREET OR, YOU KNOW, 23RD, YOU, YOU CAN SEE SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE THAT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE MOBILITY STUDY SAYS, UNLESS LIKE SAY WE CLOSE AN INTERSECTION, THEN OKAY, THAT MAY RAISE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. BUT THESE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA HELP THE OVERALL SITUATION AND, AND WILL KIND OF FIT INTO AN OVERALL MOBILITY PLAN AS THAT COMES OUT OF WHAT WE DO WITH THIS LARGER STUDY. SO THAT CORRECTLY, BOB, UM, MR. FINKLEY, JUST SOME OBSERVATIONS, UM, IN YOUR GOAL WHEN YOU TOPIC. OH, JEFF, I THINK IT IS. THIS IS FOR YOU. OKAY. , THANK YOU. IN YOUR, UH, PRESENTATION, IN THE TOPIC PRESENTATION, YOU REFERENCED THE GOAL UNDER PURPOSE ON PAGE THREE. UH, IF YOU KNOW, FOR CLARITY PURPOSES, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO EMPHASIZE IN THERE THAT THE OTHER, ANOTHER GOAL OF THIS IS TO IMPROVE SAFETY, YOU KNOW, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS ESPECIALLY, BUT, UH, THAT'S THIS THE 30,000 FOOT LEVEL, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT. SO, UH, AND THEN ANOTHER THING IS WE, WE'VE MENTIONED COORDINATION WITH OTHER PLANS SO WE DON'T GET SIDEWAYS. AND YOU'VE GOT IN HERE THE LIVABLE COMMUNITY PLANS, WHICH IS THE DOWNTOWN STREET STATE. YOU'VE ALSO GOT IN HERE THE, UH, CITY'S GREAT PROGRAM, ADVANCED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM USING AI. IN FACT, THAT'S GONNA DIRECTLY ADDRESS ROGER, YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE HARBORSIDE DRIVE LIGHTS NOT BEING COORDINATED. UH, AND ALSO, UH, THE SAFE STREETS PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE KIND OF SCATTERED AROUND IN TWO, THREE DIFFERENT PLACES IN THIS SUPPOSEDLY. AND IT MAY JUST FOR CLARITY PURPOSES, IT MAY BE PRACTICAL TO PUT THESE ALL IN ONE PLACE IN THIS PROPOSAL SO THEY CAN EASILY LOCATE THEM, EASILY IDENTIFY RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO AS SOON AS THEY GET STARTED TO GET THESE, THESE, ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLANS THAT ARE GONNA HAVE, HAVE TO BE COORDINATED. UH, YOUR HONOR, I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS, UH, FOR THIS PLAN TO ACTUALLY WORK, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO, UH, UTILIZE PROJECTIONS OF ADDITIONAL FROM ADDITIONAL CRUISE SHIP IMPACT . SO I, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO READ WHERE, WHERE THAT MIGHT BE IN HERE. I CAN, IT'S GONNA BE UNDERNEATH TASK TWO. THE FIRST BULLET, IT STARTS TALKING ABOUT COLLECT FULL CRUISE AND BARK DEBAR SCHEDULES. AND THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN DECEMBER AS WELL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE MOBILITY PLAN IS A PRODUCT OF YOUR OVER, AND IT NEEDS TO REFLECT WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE IN YOUR MASTER PLAN. IT IS A, YOU KNOW, YOU DO YOUR MASTER PLAN FIRST, AND THEN YOU DO YOUR [00:25:01] MOBILITY PLAN AFTER THAT. AND THIS IS A FORWARD LOOKING DOCUMENT. WE'RE ASKING FOR, UH, CONCEPT DEVELOPMENTS FOR A, A ZERO TO TWO YEAR AND THEN A THREE TO FIVE YEAR, UH, PRIORITIZATION. WELL, AS WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE'RE PLANNING WILL ACTUALLY MEET THE DEMANDS THAT WE'RE FORECASTING IN THE MASTER PLAN. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, AND WE BROUGHT THIS UP IN DECEMBER, UM, AND DISCUSSIONS WITH BA THAT WE NEED THOSE CRUISE SHIP FORECASTS, UH, THAT ARE REFLECTED THAT WOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF BRINGING ON YOUR ADDITIONAL CRUISE TERMINALS SO THAT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING CAN HELP TO MITIGATE, UH, THE ADDITIONAL, UH, CRUISE TRAFFIC IMPACT. AND I, AND I'LL ADD THAT WE DID RECEIVE TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE, FOR ANOTHER TERMINAL WE RECEIVED, IT WAS I THINK THIRD OR FRIDAY LAST WEEK. OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW. BUT WE DID THE, UH, PROPOSED CONSTRUCT, PROPOSED CRUISE LINE TO GO INTO THAT NEW AREA HAS PROVIDED A, THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY OF WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE OF ANOTHER TERMINAL. SO WE, WE HAVE THAT, I MEAN, WAS NOT READY FOR TODAY 'CAUSE WE, WE WANT TO COMMENT BACK ON IT, BUT THAT IS, WE DO HAVE THAT NOW. MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I TAKE A LITTLE FLUX LITTLE PLEASE, SIR? A LITTLE OFF TOPIC, BUT PLEASE DO. AS A PART OF THE, THE PREVIOUS CRUISE TERMINAL 16 EXPANSION, YOU PERFORMED A CR UH, A TRAFFIC STUDY AS WELL, WHICH STATED THAT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WAS WARRANTED AT, UH, THE INTERSECTION OF 14TH AND HARBORSIDE. CORRECT. 16TH. 16TH FROM HARBORSIDE. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT ONE HAS BEEN, WAIT A MINUTE. NOPE. WRONG INTERSECTION. I'M AT 14TH. I'M AT 14TH. THAT ONE'S BEEN DONE. BUT THE ONE AT 16TH CURRENTLY IS STILL IN. WHAT, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT? IT IS GONNA BE LET BY, IT IS PART OF THE 2026. LET AUGUST, 2026. LET, SO WE'RE ON TRACK FOR CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. OKAY. EXCELLENT. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CHECK ON THIRD STREET AND THAT, THAT ONE'S GIVEN TO US, RIGHT? YES, IT WAS TRUE TRAFFIC LIGHTS 33RD, 33RD WAS WENT THE CITY. RIGHT. AND THE CITY'S GONNA IMPLEMENT THAT THROUGH US. OKAY. AND THEN THE 16TH STREET WAS AWARDED TO US. OKAY. UM, I THINK BOTH OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY 33RD WAS THE ONE AWARDED TO US. AND THE CITY 16TH WAS AWARDED BOTH OF OUR NAMES CITY, BUT THEN WE, WE, WE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING BOTH WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER ON SURE. ABSOLUTELY. AND SO THE RESULTS OF ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, THE RESULTS OF THAT TRAFFIC STUDY FOR THE FUTURE CRUISE TERMINAL EXPANSION, I GUESS IS ROYAL CARIBBEAN IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M SORRY. GO. UH, BUT THAT TRAFFIC STUDY COULD ALSO PROVIDE INPUT INTO THIS MOBILITY STUDY AS WELL. SO I, TO BOB'S POINT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT BE LISTED AS AN ADDITIONAL REFERENCE DOCUMENT IN THE RFQ. AND DID THAT TO PILE ON THAT AGAIN AS, UH, WHILE I WAS REFERRING TO THE SAFETY ASPECT, DID YOU GUYS PRACTICE THIS ? NO, WE DID NOT. I PROMISE, YOU KNOW, THESE ACCESS CORRIDORS 14TH AND 16TH GO RIGHT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT'S CRITICAL THAT OUR ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF IMPROVEMENTS TO SAFETY GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THOSE CORRIDORS ALL THE WAY FROM THE WATERFRONT, YOU KNOW, ALL ALL THE WAY UP TO THE EDGE OF THE STUDY AREA. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST THE CASUAL OBSERVATION SHOWS ME THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE IMPROVEMENTS TO PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ALONG THOSE QUARTERS. AND THE MORE TRAFFIC WE HAD THERE, THE MORE IMPERATIVE THAT THAT BECOMES. YEAH, AND I THINK I WAS GONNA SAY, I WOULD AGREE WOULD THAT, I KNOW WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY OR Y'ALL TALKED EXTENSIVELY LAST TIME ABOUT TRYING TO LIMIT THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY NEAR CHURCH. BUT IF YOU WANT THEM TO RECOMMEND IMPROVEMENTS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BROADWAY, WE, WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE STICKING WITH CHURCH. I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT, UH, THAT THAT AREA HAS NOT BEEN STUDIED YET FOR THE IMPACT. AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE SAY THAT OUT LOUD. YEAH, I THINK THE, I THINK THAT WHAT WE, JUST PHYSICAL BOUNDARIES, I THINK CHURCH IS A GOOD BOUNDARY THERE. BUT I THINK WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A, A, YOU KNOW, BUS, SOMETHING GOES DOWN 14TH STREET, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA IN THE STREETS BEFORE CHURCH AND THEN IT'LL GET THERE. SO WE, WE DO WANT TO LOOK, I THINK THAT THE SCOPE OF ESPECIALLY THOSE MAIN, I WOULD SAY 14TH AND 16TH IN PARTICULAR, THOSE ARTERIES AS FAR, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT BROUGHT UP TOO ABOUT YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE, AND WE KNOW WE'VE GOT, WE SEE THE PEOPLE WALKING WITH THEIR LUGGAGE DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET TO PLACES. AND SO WE DO WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE MADE TO THOSE, TO THOSE CORRIDORS. UM, I THINK ALL THE WAY EVEN TO BROADWAYS, BUT I THINK FROM A STUDY STANDPOINT, WE CUT CHURCH IS A GOOD BOUNDARY AS FAR AS, 'CAUSE CARS GOTTA GET THROUGH THERE ON A BUS TO GET TO THE TERMINAL. BUT I THINK WE NEED, WE DID NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ENTIRETY AS FAR AS THOSE ARTERIES. SO I, I'M LIED. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. , BACK IN DECEMBER, VA PRESENTED, UH, A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONSIDERATION THAT, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT. UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T BRING A COPY OF THAT PRESENTATION, BUT WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE WHETHER OR NOT [00:30:01] THEY WERE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED IN THE, IN THE PLAN OR NOT. AND THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S, IF Y'ALL CONSIDERED IT AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT, THAT'S FINE. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE THAT HANDY MAYBE COPY? I DO, YES. CAN I SEE THAT FOR A SECOND PLEASE? GOOD. ANGIE ALWAYS SAYS EVERYTH. THANK YOU. I KNOW IT'S NOT EVEN, IT'S NOT A FAIR FIGHT. HMM. BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DID EVENTUALLY FIND IT . YEAH. IT WAS TASK FIVE AND TASK EIGHT, UH, TRAFFIC GENERATION. UM, LET'S SEE HERE. I THINK, I THINK IT GOT ADDRESSED IN YOUR DATA COLLECTION ABOUT PARKING AND THEN CASE STUDIES. YEAH. YOU MADE A MENTION OF BEST PRACTICE METRICS, HOW WE'RE COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES. THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS, UM, IDENTIFY SIMILAR CASE STUDIES, CITIES THAT ARE MANAGING IMPORTANT COMMUNITY INTERFACES AT SIMILAR CITIES THAT HANDLE LARGE CRUISE SHIPS. SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE GOT BOTH OF THOSE COMMENTS INCLUDED. SO JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK. YEAH, THANK YOU. I HAVE QUICK QUESTION. MY, OKAY. UH, BOB BROUGHT IN THE SAFE STREETS, WHICH, WHICH IS GREAT. WHICH PREVIOUSLY I HAD ASKED, WHEN YOU GO UP 33RD, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A SCHOOL AND THERE IS A COMMUNITY THERE. AND I, I JUST WANT MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF, I HEAR IT'S ALWAYS SAYING THE 14TH, THE 16TH, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE 33RD STREET IS IN THAT SAFE STUDIES AS WELL. AND SHARON, I REMEMBER PART OF THE REASON THIS WHOLE COMMITTEE GOT STARTED WAS BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT ON 33RD STREET. MM-HMM . IT TURNS OUT THAT LIGHT WON'T HAPPEN UNTIL 27TH. . WE NEED IT NOW, BUT WE DID. SO, UH, I GOT ONE, ONE MORE COMMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER BRAND. UM, I, I'M NOT SURE IF WE DID, I CAN'T FIND IT. IF WE IDENTIFIED THE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE GONNA BE PART OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PART OF THIS WORK THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, YOU KNOW, UM, THE AREAS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE STUDYING BE DOWNTOWN, WE'RE GOING ALL THE WAY TO UTM B, AND YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE CITY, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WE GET IN THERE TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE ENGAGING STAKEHOLDERS TO HELP US DO THIS SO WE UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS COMPLETELY. UH, THE FIRST TASK ONE, THE FIRST BULLET, WE DO LIST KIND OF SOME PROPOSED STAKEHOLDERS, WHICH I, I SEE NOW THAT I DIDN'T REMOVE THE WORD HAD BECAUSE I WAS A COMMENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, CITY PORT TDOT, LAW ENFORCEMENT, PARKING OPERATORS, MOBILITY PROVIDERS, DOWN STAKEHOLDERS FROM DOWNTOWN EAST END. OKAY. WHERE IS THAT AGAIN? UH, TASK ONE PAGE A ONE ON THE ATTACHMENT BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. OH, YEAH. IN ITALICS. LOOKS, LOOKS LIKE THEY, YEAH. SHOULD HAD THAT IN ADD, SO THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. THAT, THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION RIGHT THERE. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR, FOR JEFF? QUESTION ON THE SCOPE, I GUESS THE, THE GOAL AS STATED. DOES THAT, DOES THAT FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? OH, JUST WITH THE ADDITION OF THE ABOUT SAFETY? YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S, AND THAT'S A GOOD ADD. WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE TRAFFIC. AND YOU GOT THAT NOW. I, I, I MADE A NOTE THERE. WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT PROCESS OF, OF THE R THE RFQ PROCESS SO THAT, SO YEAH. NEXT WOULD BE NEXT STEPS, RIGHT? MOVING THIS FORWARD, WHICH I THINK WE'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS AND ADD FROM THIS, UH, FROM THIS DISCUSSION. SO I GUESS THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE IF YOU'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY, JEFF, ON YEAH. PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. I MET WITH BRANDON AND, UH, UH, ROBERT FROM THE CITY, UM, KIND OF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. AND, UM, WE, THE, THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE THAT GETS PUT TOGETHER TOO HERE, IT'S TYPICALLY THREE OR FIVE MEMBERS. UM, AND I DEFINITELY SEE HAVING, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR INPUT ON THAT COMMITTEE AS WELL. ACTUALLY SELECTING WHAT, WHAT I, THE WAY I SEE IT WORKING POTENTIALLY IS PUTTING TOGETHER THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE RANK ORDERING AND THEN, UH, POSSIBLY GETTING A SHORT LIST OF BRINGING THOSE IN FOR INTERVIEWS AND THEN BRINGING A PROPOSAL BACK TO, I GUESS THE APPROVAL PART. I GUESS I'M, I'M, I'M ASSUMING, DO I BRING THAT TO THIS COMMITTEE OR THE BOARD, I GUESS IS THE QUESTION? MIGHT HAVE. I THINK, YEAH, AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THE FACT THAT IT'S A JOINT [00:35:01] EFFORT. I MEAN, I THINK THIS COMMITTEE PROBABLY IS A GOOD FORUM. 'CAUSE YOU'VE GOT OBVIOUSLY THE, AND, AND THEN WE COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE WARDS BOARD AND THE CITY MEMBERS CAN MAKE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD PURPOSE FOR THIS GROUP WHERE WE'VE GOT JOINT REPRESENTATION, UH, TO DO, DO THOSE REVIEWS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. AND, AND ONE OTHER THING I'LL POINT OUT, I, WE DID HAVE SUBSEQUENTLY FOUND OUT TOO THAT THE, I KNOW THE CITY HAS QUITE A BIT OF MONEY FOR STUDYING THE SEAT. NOT, I THINK IMPLEMENTING TRAFFIC LIGHTS ON SEAWALL, UM, BROADWAY AS WELL AS HARBORSIDE DRIVE. AND THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT WAS 2020 2 MILLION? IS THAT WHAT IT WAS? OR 17 MILLION? I, I CAN, I THINK SO THEY, I KNOW THERE'S ONE $18 MILLION PLOT HGAC, BUT THAT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT THEY'RE IMPLEMENTING IS LIKE THE SMART CITIES. AND THEY GOT, THAT'S FOR THE SEA WALL WHERE THEY'LL IMPLEMENT THOSE TRAFFIC LIGHTS FIRST. AND THEN THAT'S ONCE THEY, UM, FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW THAT WORKS, THAT THE HGAC GRANT COMES IN AFTER THAT. AND WE WORK ON THESE OTHER TWO RIGHT AWAYS ALONG WITH OTHER HOTSPOTS, I GUESS, IN THE CITY. I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S KEY TO KEEP BRANDON SOMEHOW IN THE LOOP. MM-HMM . YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. YEAH. HE MENTIONED THE PERSON, UH, WITH PUBLIC WORKS. I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME EITHER, BUT, BUT YES. YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S MOVING PARTS HERE. I THINK THAT'S THE VALUE, RIGHT? HAVING THE RIGHT, WELL THE CITY, THE RIGHT PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS. THE CITY'S GOTTEN SOME, I THINK THERE ARE KNOCKOUT, UH, GRANTS HERE LATELY THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, GOT THE MONEY TO DO THE SYNCHRONIZATION AND NOW THEY GOT THE MONEY TO DO THE NICENESS DOWN AROUND THE STRAND AREA. WE NEED KEEP ALL THE BENEFIT FROM ALL THAT. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I NEGLECTED WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR CRUISE FORECAST FORECASTED WARNINGS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT IT BE A, UH, MINIMUM OF A FIVE YEAR PROJECTION BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THE LENGTH OF THE CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT, UM, BENEFITS. SO I'D LIKE FOR IT TO MATCH UP WITH THAT IF SOMEBODY WOULD MAKE, MAKE A NOTE FOR CONSIDERATION. OBJECTION, TY. AFFIRM AFFIRMATIVELY THERE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AND THAT WILL BE A PROJECTION. OKAY. OH, YEAH. BE A PROJECTION BASED UPON, WE ONLY KNOW ABOUT TWO YEARS OUT. OKAY. MEMBER BROWN. I'M JUST, UH, JUMPING AHEAD TO TIMELINE ON THOSE MILESTONES. SO THIS COMMITTEE WILL RECOMMEND THE, TO THE BOARD BOARD AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THIS RFQ, YOU KNOW, PER THE CHANGES WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. RIGHT. AND THEN THAT AFTER THAT APPROVAL, THEN WE FORM A COMMITTEE AND WE RELEASE THE RFQ THAT I FORM A COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE PROPOSAL. TALK ABOUT THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. YEAH. YEAH. I, I, UM, OH, I, I WONDER, I LET RICHARD, I WONDER WHY WE COULDN'T, I MEAN, I WONDER WHY WE COULDN'T JUST GO AHEAD AND ISSUE IT WITHOUT GOING BACK TO THE THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA, TO THE RESPECTIVE THAT'S FINE. THAT'S WHY I'M BRINGING THIS UP. AS LONG AS IT'S BEEN COORDINATED WITH THE CITY. WE HAVE REPRESENTATION. THE BOARD BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS DELEGATED TO THIS COMMITTEE. THEY DELEGATED IT TO THIS COMMITTEE. CORRECT. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE TO BRING AN BOARD A FEW TOO. THAT'S TRUE. THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION, BOB? UH, YEAH, , UH, I'LL MOVE THAT. WE RECOMMEND THAT THIS RFP BE RELEASED, GET PER THE CHANGES THAT WE JUST MADE. I'LL SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. UH, AGAIN, I'M JUST CURIOUS OF THE TIMELINE. UH, HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO ACTUALLY GET THE THING ON THE STREET? UH, I, I BET PRETTY QUICK AT THIS POINT. UH, I'D SAY MAYBE A DAY OR TWO TO MAKE THESE CHANGES. IT'S NOT A LOT THAT YOU'LL HAVE RECOMMENDED. AND THEN WE TYPICALLY POST ON SUNDAY. UM, UH, SO IT WOULD EITHER BE THIS COMING SUNDAY, THE FOLLOWING SUNDAY. OKAY. BUT RF QS ARE TYPICALLY, UH, TOWARD CLOSER TOWARDS THE MINIMUM SIDE OF, UH, LIKE THEY'RE USUALLY LIKE TWO AND A HALF TO THREE WEEKS LONG IN ADVERTISEMENT. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING PROBABLY FOUR WEEKS OUT TO HAVE PROPOSALS, QUALIFICATIONS BACK. I COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RECOMMEND AND I'LL, I'LL DO A, WHATEVER YOU CALL AN AMENDMENT IF I, IF NECESSARY. BUT I WOULD, I WOULD THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO LEAVE THIS OUT THERE LONGER THAN NORMAL. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE, IT REALLY IS GONNA BE A LITTLE COMPLEX. AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEIR INTERFACING THINGS. BUT I WOULDN'T SAY MORE THAN A MONTH. BUT, BUT JUST COURT MEMORY. YOU'RE JUST, YOU'RE LOOKING AT RES XS, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT QUALIFICATIONS. YEP. AND YOU'RE NOT ASKING ANYBODY TO PUT TOGETHER A PRODUCT. UH, DID Y'ALL ASK FOR AN APPROACH, A PROJECT APPROACH IN THE RFQ? WE [00:40:01] DO HAVE A PROJECT APPROACH. IT'S A NARRATIVE THAT'S USUALLY ABOUT THREE PAGES. THREE THREE PAGES. BECAUSE WE ONLY ALLOW 20 PAGES TOTAL FOR ALL THIS STUFF. RIGHT. AND SO IT, THERE IS USUALLY A PROJECT APPROACH. AND THEN WE'VE ASKED THEM FOR LESSONS LEARNED ON SIMILAR PAST PROJECTS. WELL, I, I, I, I, I'M JUST INTERESTED IN MAKING SURE THAT WE GET AS BROAD A GROUP TO LOOK AT IT AND GIVE THEM ADEQUATE TIME TO DO IT. THAT'S, I WOULD THINK NORMAL IS TWO WEEKS. YOU SAID JEFF? I THINK TWO, TWO AND A HALF WEEKS IS THE MINIMUM BY STATE STATUTE. 'CAUSE YOU CAN, I THINK IT'S LIKE, UH, 12 DAYS AFTER YOU DO YOUR FIRST SILENTLY, CONSECUTIVE POST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HAD A WEEK, THREE WEEKS, THE NINTH ROUND NUMBER. YEAH. RIGHT. I DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, UM, BOARD RELATIONS AND COUNCIL RELATIONS. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE SELECTED THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A, A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS BEFORE WE PUT IT ON THIS STREET? WE DISCUSSED IT AT OUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING. YEAH, WE DID. AND SAID EVERYBODY WAS OKAY AND TOLD Y'ALL TO GO WITH. SURE. NOBODY'S EVER, OKAY. A HUNDRED PERCENT. WE'LL GO WITH THAT. SHE, BUT I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OKAY. I MEAN, OUR BOARD, THEY WERE INFORMED OUR, OKAY. OUR, OUR BOARD MEETING IS NOT VERY FAR AWAY, IS WHAT I'M THINKING. AND I JUST, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT THIS TO SEEM LIKE IT IN GENERAL, DON'T WE APPROVE THE RQS AT THE BOARD LEVEL BEFORE THEY GET RELEASED? WE, WE, NO, WE, WE USUALLY BRIEF Y'ALL THAT WE'VE RELEASED. IT'S ON THE PORT DIRECTOR SLIDE ON LIKE WHAT, WHAT THE OPEN PROCUREMENTS ARE. OKAY. WE'VE HAD A LOT HEAVIER ENGAGEMENT IN THIS PROCESS THAN BIDDING OUT TERMINAL 25 OR SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF. RIGHT. WE, WE WEREN'T AS INVOLVED AS WE, WE GET INVOLVED IN VALUATION, BUT NOT IN THE PROCESS TO PUT THE PROPOSAL TOGETHER. I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I'M, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE ENGAGEMENT WE'VE HAD AND YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, OTHER NON COMMITTEE MEMBERS COMING APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATE THE FOLKS ATTENDINGS. I THINK WE'VE HAD, I THINK WE'VE HAD A GOOD INPUT. AND I DON'T, I THINK IT'S A GOOD CONCERN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LEAVING ANYBODY OUT. BUT I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GOOD. AND I THINK THERE IS, IN MY MIND, A TIMING ESSENCE HERE. LET'S GET, WE WANT TO KEEP THE PROCESS MOVING. YEAH. SO I'M, I'M GOOD WITH YOUR COMMENT. MOVING FORWARD, IT MIGHT BE LIKE, SO FOR ALTERNATIVE PROCUREMENT METHODS LIKE DESIGN BUILD AND MR WE'RE REQUIRED TO COME GET A RESOLUTION FROM Y'ALL PRIOR TO SOLICITATION THOSE SITUATIONS, BUT NOT THIS. SO, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR MEETING ON THE 26TH AND UPDATE WHAT WE, JUST, WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY ON THAT. YEAH. UH, THE OTHER THING IS, COULD, COULD WE GET A, A COPY OF THE, THIS COMMITTEE, GET A COPY OF THAT FINAL RF SOON AS WE GET READY JUST FOR OUR RECORD. 10 BUCKS . SO WE HAVE, OH, GO AHEAD. AND WE WOULD ALSO PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA. WE, WE, WE WILL AS AN ABSOLUTELY. SO WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. DO WE NEED TO, TO INCREASE IT TO THREE WEEKS? YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. WELL, SO WE'VE GOT A MOTION SET FOR THREE WEEKS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SECOND, I THINK IT BECOMES PUBLIC INFORMATION, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY TOO. I THINK THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THIS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN IN THE INDUSTRY KNOW THAT IT'S COMING AS WELL. SO THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN A HEAD START ON IT. AND, AND AS, AS WE, UM, I GUESS ONE COMMENT I'D MAKE IT JUST FROM A SCOPE AND COUNCIL MEMBER FINKLEY TALKED ABOUT IT. HE BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR EXISTING FOUR TERMINALS WITH THEN A POTENTIAL FIFTH TERMINAL KIND OF AS A, I WHAT YOU CALL THAT OVERLAY STRESS TEST. TO, TO THAT. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM A, AND THAT'LL SHOW UP IN THE ZERO TO FIVE PROJECTIONS. AND THE PROJECTION WILL TYPICALLY, UM, ALSO HAVE BACKGROUND, UH, INCREASES IN TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY ONE HALF, 2% OR WHATEVER HGAC DOES PROJECTIONS FOR, FOR DIFFERENT AREAS OVER TIME. AND THAT USUALLY INVOLVES THAT PLUS WHATEVER STIMULUS KIND OF PROJECTS COULD LIKE THE CRUISE TRUCK. OKAY. SO WITH THAT ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU JEFFREY. ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM [C.2 Discuss and Consider Pier 19 Greenspace - STOSS Proposal ] IS THE C TWO, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER P 19 GREEN SPACE STAS PROPOSAL. SO I GUESS WITH THAT NOW, TURN OVER NAME BOB AND ROGER. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN, UH, LEADING THIS. WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH AS YOU KNOW. JUST A RECAP. UH, WE'VE GOT SOME SUPPORT TO, TO PAY FOR THIS STUDY, UH, FROM A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PHILANTHROPIC SOURCES. AND, UH, AND WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH, ROGER, AND I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE, UH, ARCHITECT FOR STAFFS WHO DID THE ORIGINAL OVERALL CONCEPT FOR THE WATERFRONT PLAN. AND WE GOT THE, UH, THE SCOPE RIGHT WHERE WE NEEDED. AND, UH, WE'VE GOT A PROPOSAL FROM THEM AND IT'S WITHIN OUR BUDGET, UH, TO, TO DO IT, EXECUTE IT. AND I THINK THAT WAS ALL SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY, RIGHT? THAT PROPOSAL. SO, UH, WE'RE READY TO GET GOING ON THIS. [00:45:01] UH, IT'S, IT'S PAID FOR, IT'S SCOPED. AND, UM, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT THIS WORK IS, IT IS KIND OF A PROOF OF CONCEPT AND DESCRIPTION. SO WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UH, IS FIRST OF ALL, GET THE STAKEHOLDERS ALL INVOLVED IN THIS, THE TENANTS. AND SO WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE AND, AND DEMONSTRATE THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF WATERFRONT ACCESS, PUBLIC WATERFRONT ACCESS, UH, BY DOING THIS PROJECT. AND THIS, THIS IS JUST A SMALL PILOT PROJECT OF THE WHOLE IDEA THAT STOS CAME UP WITH. AND, UH, SO WE TRY IT OUT AND IF IT WORKS, UH, GOOD, WE CAN, WE CAN THINK OF THE NEXT STEP. BUT THIS IS, THIS IS INTENDED TO, TO, TO GET THE SCOPE TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE CAN, UH, DO SOME PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND ILLUSTRATE IT WITH PLANS AND DRAWINGS, UH, IN A PRELIMINARY WAY THAT WE CAN ALSO GET A PRICE TO ACTUALLY BUILD IT. SO THEN WHEN WE GET A PRICE TO BUILD IT, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT IS, WE'LL KNOW THAT, UH, THAT THE TENANTS OVER THERE ARE ALL GOOD WITH IT. WE'LL KNOW THAT, UH, ALL THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS ARE GOOD WITH IT. AND SO WE CAN, UH, WE CAN BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT ACTUALLY BUILDING IT. SO THIS IS THAT FIRST PROOF OF CONCEPT STEP THAT WE'RE DOING. LOOKS GOOD. YEAH. I APPRECIATE THAT'S REALLY GOOD WORK GUYS TO GET IT TO. AND I THINK GETTING, AND I GUESS THE MECHANICS ARE THAT THIS HAS, YOU TALKED EARLIER ABOUT VISION GALVESTON HAVING TO DO BECAUSE KIND NONPROFIT TO FACILITATES THE, THE, THE FEES FOR THE ARCHITECT. WE'RE GOING THROUGH VISION GALVESTON THROUGH THIS. AND SO IT'LL BE A, A PARTNERSHIP. AND THIS IS WHAT VISION GALVESTON DOES EVERY DAY IS A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN, UH, VISION GALVESTON, THE PORT AND THE, AND THE FUNDERS. SO, UH, THAT'S KIND OF THE NEED A NON-PROFIT BE A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION IN THERE. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO WITH THIS STUDY, THERE'S NO COST TO THE CITY OR TO THE PORT. THAT'S RIGHT. CORRECT. SO IT'S SO, AND I THINK THAT IF, YOU KNOW, THE STAKEHOLDERS WERE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA WORK. THEY HAVE BROUGHT UP SOME VERY LEGITIMATE AND VERY STRONG ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU AND I AND OTHERS HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT, AND THE COMMITTEE'S HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH 'EM ABOUT, AND IT'S REALLY KIND OF WORKING THROUGH, CAN THOSE BE RESOLVED TO THE SATISFACTION OF, OF THEM AND TO SOMETHING THAT'S FUNCTIONAL FOR YEAH, THE COMMUNITY AND THE STAKEHOLDERS. I NOW, I MET WITH THOSE STAKEHOLDERS AT LEAST TWICE. YOU KNOW, THE FIRST TIME I WENT OUT THERE, UH, UH, IT WAS RAINING. WE ALL STOOD OUT THERE AND IT RAIN AND LOOKED ALL THIS OVER AND THERE WAS, THERE WAS SOME, UH, PUSHBACK, YOU KNOW. AND THE SECOND TIME I WENT OUT THERE SPECIFICALLY, UH, TO THE KATIE'S GUYS JUST TO SPEND SOME TIME IN REVIEWING THEIR ENTIRE OPERATION AND WHAT EVERYTHING THEY DO, THEY DO. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT WAS GOOD. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEEDED TO DO THAT. BUT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THAT WAS WAS I WAS LISTENING. YEAH. BUT WE NEED TO NOW ADDRESS THOSE THINGS AND THAT'S WHAT THIS, UH, STUDY IS GONNA DO. THEY'RE GONNA SPEND MORE TIME ACTUALLY SOLVING THESE PROBLEMS. AND IN THE END, UH, OUR GOAL, AND IT STATED IN HERE, ONE OF OUR GOALS IS TO MAKE THOSE OPERATIONS MORE EFFICIENT AND MAKE THEM WORK BETTER. WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HEARD THAT, I MEAN, BOB CAN SUMMARIZE. I MEAN, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE BOARDWALK BEING RIGHT AT THE WATER'S EDGE BECAUSE THEY DO A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, EITHER THROWING FISH OR THROWING NETS OR THROWING PEOPLE OR, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THERE. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN, I THINK THE FUEL TRUCK ACCESS. UH, THEN I THINK KATIE'S HAS, UH, IT'S OVER, OVER OVERALL SAFETY. 'CAUSE THEY RUN FORK TRUCKS THROUGH THERE. THEY RUN, UH, 18 WHEELERS AND THEN THERE'S PEOPLE COMING IN TO GET SHRIMP. SO HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, COLLISIONS CON COMPLEX BETWEEN PEOPLE GET ON, ON THE FISHING BOATS, THE BIG ONE FOR PARKING, THE PARKING SHEET THAT PARKING THE PARKING SHEET, THAT WAS A BIG ONE FOR THEM. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA WANT SOME, THEY'RE WANTING SOME KIND OF GUARANTEED PARKING DURING THEIR HIGH SEASON. THEY MAKE ALL THEIR MONEY BETWEEN JUNE AND SEPTEMBER. EVERYTHING ELSE IS KIND OF DEAD. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK AROUND. AND LIKE, UH, JEFF SAID KATIE'S WAS ABOUT SAFETY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THIS IS A WORKING WATERFRONT HERE. WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE, AND I, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, BY, BY DOING THIS BOARDWALK AND ALL THIS WORK, WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT MORE SAFE BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA CUE PEOPLE AS TO WHERE THEY SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BE WHERE THEY CAN AND CAN'T GO. THERE IS SOME QUESTION WHEN YOU GO DOWN THERE, BUT WHERE AM I SUPPOSED TO BE? AM I GONNA GET A TICKET? IS THIS A CITY PARKING SPOT OR A BUSINESS PARKING SPOT? THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS, THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS. AND THEN, UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BIG, THEY'RE BIG 18 WHEELERS THAT GO IN THERE AND SERVICE THE RESTAURANT. THEY SERVICE THE, THERE'S A TANKER TRUCK THAT SERVICE THE FUEL. THERE'S TWO FUEL OUT LEFT THERE. SO WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET THOSE THROUGH ALSO, YOU KNOW, WITH, IN A, IN A WAY THAT, AGAIN, MARKS WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO GO AND, AND HOW TO GET 'EM IN AND OUT OF THERE AND STILL MAXIMIZING THE ACCESS TO THE WATER. I NOTICE IT, JEFF. IT CUTS OFF HERE. IT DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE WATER. IS THERE A REASON WHY IT DOES THAT? WHERE YOU SHOWING RIGHT HERE? IT CUTS OFF RIGHT THERE. YEAH. UM, WELL AT THIS POINT RIGHT HERE THAT ON THAT LITTLE DOG LEG YEAH, THERE'S ALREADY WHAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER A BOARDWALK. [00:50:01] IT'S ALREADY A CONCRETE APRM RIGHT THERE. RIGHT. SO THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH MORE WORK TO DO RIGHT THERE. OKAY. BUT SO WE'RE ACTUALLY, THIS, THIS LITTLE LEG HERE MAKES THE CONNECTION FROM THE, THE BOARD WALKING AREA WE'RE WORKING ON HERE TOO, WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES I HEARD TOO WAS THE FACT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU COME BACK FROM, FROM FISHING AND YOU'VE GOT 15 RED SNAPPERS, RIGHT? HOW DO I GET THOSE TO MY CAR? MM-HMM . AND THAT, AND RIGHT NOW THEY JUST, THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. THEY DRIVE UP TO BASICALLY RIGHT TO THE SHIP AND UNLOAD. SO THIS IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE IS HOW THEY CAN COOLER FULL OF FISH SOMEWHERE WE ARE COMING UP. YOU ELEVATE THE BOARDWALK, THEN IT'S A, IT'S A HAZARD IF IT, IF IT GETS SLIPPERY, YOU KNOW, FISH GUTS. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE ARE ISSUES TO WORK OUT. BUT I THINK THAT THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WAS TO LET'S WORK THIS TO THE NEXT STEP. LET'S GET, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ENG THE, THE ARCHITECT ENGINEERS INVOLVED SIT DOWN WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THERE'S, IF YOU LOOK IN THERE, THERE'S MEET AT LEAST WITH THREE MEETINGS AT LEAST IN PERSON, BETWEEN THE FOLKS AND THE, AND THE TENANTS TO KIND OF, TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. RIGHT? AND, AND MAYBE WE CAN SOLVE 'EM AND COME UP WITH WAYS AND, AND THERE'S A POSSIBILITY MAYBE WE CAN'T AND IT JUST, WE CAN'T DO IT. SO, I MEAN, BUT THAT'S, IF WE DON'T WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE DON'T KNOW. SO THIS I THINK IS GOOD, A GOOD JOB TO GET THIS TO A POINT WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME CHARITABLE FUNDING THAT WE CAN MOVE IT FORWARD AND SEE IF WE CAN MAKE THIS THING WORK. RICHARD, UM, ARE WE READY FOR A MOTION? THINK WE'RE, WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE, UH, GO AHEAD AND, UH, START THIS PROCESS. OKAY. I'LL SECOND THAT IN TERMS, WE'LL LET CHAIRMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER LEWIS, UM, IN TERMS OF DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S NOT NO, IT'S NO BIG DEAL. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING, UH, GHF LOOPED INTO THIS BECAUSE I'M TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORICAL YEAH. I, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME NARRATIVE THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD PUT UP SOME SIGNS OR SOME EXHIBITS OR WHATEVER AROUND THERE AND IT WOULD REALLY BE NEEDED. WE GOT 'EM IN, INTO THE EARLY PART OF THE WELL, AND THE PARK BOARD TOO. UH, YEAH. AND I'VE, I'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH BOTH OF THOSE ENTITIES. GOOD. AND, UH, THE PARK BOARD I THINK HAS A ROLE IN ACTUALLY PROGRAMMING THIS OPEN SPACE AND ACTIVATING IT. AND GHF, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. PART OF THIS PRESENTATION OF ALL BACK STARTED LOOKING AT THIS AREA IN A BROADWAY IN TERMS OF THE HISTORICAL RESOURCES THAT ARE THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO NATIONAL REGISTERED, TWO NATIONAL REGISTERED, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, BATTLESHIP AND THE ALYSSA, AND THEN THERE'S DOWNTOWN AND THEY CAN DO A STORY ON THE CONCENTRATION OF HISTORICAL. VERY, VERY HIGHLY RECOGNIZED HISTORICAL. I THINK IT IT PART OF THE BRANDING ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, THIS, IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY SUPPORT WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE WAS A FISH AND SHRIMP AND YOU TELL THE HISTORY OF IT, RIGHT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THIS IS A PERFECT PLACE TO DO THAT. AND I THINK GHF IS GOOD AT TELLING THE STORYTELLING. YEAH. I THINK WITH, WITH OUR STAFF, AS WE'VE SEEN AND OTHER PROJECTS AND OUR ENGINEERING TEAM, THE PORT ITSELF IS VERY CAPABLE OF COMING UP WITH SOMETHING VERY NICE THERE IN-HOUSE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T WANT IT HISTORICAL FOUNDATION INVOLVED OR PARK BOARD, BUT I DO THINK THAT THE MORE THAT OTHER GROUPS GET INVESTED IN IT, THE MORE THEY MAY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A, A FOOT IN THERE TO BE ABLE TO SAY WHAT TO DO WITH IT AT THE END OR HOW TO USE IT. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T WANT THAT. SO WE GOTTA BE CAREFUL OF THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. BUT ONE OTHER THING, JUST IN CASE ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, THIS IS GONNA TAKE, UM, THIS PROCESS IS ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OR SO ONCE WE GET STARTED, AND AT THE END OF THAT FOUR MONTHS, WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN PUT ON THE STREET SO WE CAN ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. WE CAN START RAISING MONEY, SOLICIT MONEY. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL KNOW WHAT WE HAVE. AND BECAUSE THE NEXT STEP AND ALL OF THIS WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY HIRE AN ARCHITECT, ENGINEER FIRM TO, TO DO THE, THE DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS, ALL OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS THAT YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY PUT A PROJECT ON THE STREET, GET A BID AND DO IT. ALRIGHT. SO WE GOT A MOTION. WE'VE GOT A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. AND I THINK, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, ANGIE, WE HAD, FROM A WAR BOARD STANDPOINT, I THINK WE HAD, WE HAD TOLD, WE HAD ASKED ROGER, I THINK WE EMPOWERED YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. I DON'T KNOW. WE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY, IN DECEMBER, I THINK WE GAVE HIM PERMISSION TO TAKE THIS TO THE NEXT STEP, OR WE GAVE HIM THAT'S FINE. WE DIRECTED HIM. SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO, I'M JUST THINKING FOR THE NEXT WARS BOARD MEETING, MAYBE IT MAY JUST BE TO REVIEW THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A MOTION, BUT FIGURE THAT OUT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. UH, ONE THING I, I WANT TO BE SURE AND BE CLEAR ABOUT IS, UH, THE SUPPORTERS NEED TO SEE THE COPY OF THE CONTRACT [00:55:01] BECAUSE THEY'LL NEED TO REVIEW IT WITH THEIR LEGAL TEAM. THIS, WHICH IS AS PART OF THE STANDARD PROCESS. YES. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, VISION, VISION, GALVESTON, CHRISTINE AND JOHN CAMPBELL AND, UH, YEAH. CHRISTINE AND, OKAY. ALRIGHT. I'LL MENTION ONE MORE THING TOO IS, UH, TOMORROW WE'LL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE MASTER PLAN. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS AND STUFF THAT BA'S COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE SAME LINE, UM, IN TERMS OF THESE END AND, AND HOW, HOW TO MAKE THAT LOOK A LOT NICER. YEAH. MORE USABLE BY, UH, NON CRUISERS. AND SO I THINK WE, I THINK IF YOU GET A CHANCE, COME AND SEE THAT TOMORROW. 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME, SOME OF IT AND IT'S, IT'S SOME GOOD STUFF. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT ONLINE IF YOU GO TO OUR AGENDA. YEAH, YEAH. IT KIND OF BUILDS. AND I THINK, YEAH, THIS BEING, AS BOB SAID, KIND OF A SAY PILOT KIND OF A START, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE WORK AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S POSSIBLE AT TERMINAL TENANT. IT'S PRETTY COOL. I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY EXCITING WHAT'S POSSIBLE WHEN YOU START TAKING SOME OF THAT, YOU KNOW, SPACE THAT'S PARKING, YOU START TURNING IT INTO, REPURPOSE IT FOR GREEN SPACE, FOR RETAIL, FOR POSSIBLE HOTEL POSSIBLE. I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE BROAD RANGE OF POSSIBILITIES YEAH. THAT, THAT CAN OPEN UP, WHICH IS, WHICH IS TO ME IS VERY EXCITING. IT'S REALLY COOL TO SEE THAT GOING FORWARD. I JUST WANTED TO ASK BOB, IT, IT'S MY MEMORY CORRECT THAT YOU WERE INVOLVED IN, UM, DEVELOPING THE APPLICATION FOR THE NATIONAL REGISTER FOR, UH, FOR THE P 19. OH NO, THAT WAS, THAT WAS DONE BACK IN 1975. AND YOU WERE A NEAR CHILD THAT PRESCHOOL. HE WAS ON CITY COUNCIL. THE RUMORS THAT HE HELPED BUILD WITH STATE, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU SENT, YOU SENT IT TO ME AND I I THOUGHT THAT YOU HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN OFTEN NO, BUT I SENT IT BECAUSE IT, IT REALLY IS A GREAT DESCRIPTION OF THE HISTORY OF THAT AREA. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MUCH AND IT'S NOT VERY WELL KNOWN. YEAH. IT'S, I REALLY THAT WHOLE IDEA OF, AND YOU DESCRIBED IT WELL, SEVERAL MEETING SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THE HISTORY THAT'S DOWN THERE. IT'S PRETTY, IT'S PRETTY. I MEAN, AND WE KIND OF, WE KIND OF KNOW IT. WE SORT OF KNOW IT, BUT WHEN YOU REALLY PULL THE WHOLE PICTURE TOGETHER, THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORIC NATIONAL HISTORICAL RECOGNIZED STUFF THAT THERE, THERE'S A STORY I THINK WAITING TO BE TOLD AND, AND GETTING ACCESS TO PEOPLE TO IT WHERE THEY CAN KIND OF GET HIT WITH A SNAPPER. RIGHT. AND GET INVER, LIKE THE FISH MARKET, CATCH 'EM IN SEATTLE THERE. BUT I MEAN, TO GET PEOPLE WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, BECOME A PART OF THAT OR WALK THROUGH THAT. AND THEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE BATTLESHIP TEXAS AND MAYBE STUFF FURTHER TO THE EAST. THERE'S LOTS OF REALLY COOL POSSIBILITIES. IT'S EXCITING TO SEE IT MOVING FORWARD. THE ONLY SAD THING ABOUT THIS IS WE DON'T HAVE MORE SPACE. TRUE. IT'S A LIMITED SPACE. YEAH. UM, IN THE AREA DOWN THERE, BUT WE'LL DO WHAT WE GOT. YEAH. BUT THANK YOU ROGER, FOR YOUR, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, TO, UH, GIVE UP SOME REVENUE AND PARKING AND WHAT IF YOU WOULD TO REALIZE THIS IS KIND OF A BIT OF A COMPLICATED THING IN A WORKING AREA. SO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WILLINGNESS TO BE OPEN TO THE IDEAS TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR, FOR, FOR ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. SO WITH THAT, UH, ANY [D. COMMENTS FROM THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE ] COMMENTS FROM THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE? I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S, UH, ENGAGEMENT. I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD THINGS MOVING. IF WE CAN FIND OUT MORE DETAILS TO WHY WE'RE 20. WELL DONE. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT NOW. I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO. IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S, YEAH. MOVING AT THE SPEED OF GOVERNMENT. SO I GUESS AS FAR AS NEXT MEETING, WE'LL KIND OF LET THAT BE. UH, MAYBE AS WE GET A LITTLE FURTHER WITH THE PROPOSALS, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER, UH, ANOTHER SESSION AT, AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. MM-HMM. UM, AND WITH THAT, I THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR ENGAGEMENT, COUNCIL MEMBER FRANKLIN FOR COMING AND CHI FOR OTHERS COMING AND THEIR INPUT. FOLKS IN THE BACK FOR YOUR, UH, PARTICIPATION AND ENGAGEMENT. I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD STUFF GOING ON HERE, SO WE'LL KEEP IT MOVING FORWARD. WITH THAT. I DECLARES, UH, ADJOURNED AT TWO 30. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.