[A. CALL TO ORDER]
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THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE, UH, TO ORDER.
WELCOME AND THANKS EVERYBODY FOR COMING.
I KNOW IT'S A, IT'S A BUSY TIME OF YEAR, SO THANK YOU FOR MAKING TIME FOR THIS.
I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME, SOME IMPORTANT TOPICS TO DISCUSS TODAY.
UH, ANGIE, CAN I HAVE A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES, SIR.
COMMITTEE MEMBER WILLIE GONZALEZ.
COMMITTEE MEMBER RICHARD MOORE.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SHARON LEWIS HERE.
AND COMMITTEE MEMBER MARIE ROB, WHO IS NOT HERE AT THE MOMENT, I THINK, I THINK ON HER WAY AS I UNDERSTAND.
SO I DECLARE THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? OBJECT CLEAR.
I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ENTITY.
DID WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC?
[C.1. Discuss and Consider Proposed Professional Services Agreement for Mobility Study ]
SO I'LL MOVE RIGHT INTO BUSINESS ITEMS. AND ITEM C ONE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PROPOSED PROFESSIONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR MOBILITY STUDY IS ROGER.WELL, I THINK THAT WE DID SEND OUT ROGER YES.
THE ANSWER OF THE, UH, PROPOSED CONTRACT.
AND I'LL LET JEFF KIND OF WALK THROUGH THAT IF, UH, ANY QUESTIONS? EVERYBODY DID GET THAT YESTERDAY, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
JEFF, YOU GONNA, UH, WALK US THROUGH WHERE WE, WHERE WE CAME FROM AND WHERE WE'RE GOING? ABSOLUTELY.
THANK, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.
MEMBERS OF THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE.
BUT, SO THIS STARTED BACK, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR AND Y'ALL HAD TASK STAFF WITH, UH, UH, PUT, Y'ALL HAD PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT, UH, SCOPE OF WORK OR A, UH, MOBILITY STUDY, AND THEN TASKED STAFF WITH, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER AN RFQ IN FEBRUARY.
WE BROUGHT A DRAFT RFQ TO Y'ALL.
Y'ALL HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THAT.
AND THEN LATER IN FEBRUARY WE RELEASED THAT.
UM, WE HAD THE RFQ ON THE STREET FOR APPROXIMATELY ONE MONTH, AND WE RECEIVED SEVEN PROPOSALS WHEN WE CLOSED THAT IN, UH, ON MARCH 17TH.
UH, UH, SO THEN WE PUT TOGETHER A REVIEW COMMITTEE OF INCLUDING FOUR PORT STAFF AND ONE CITY STAFF.
UH, THAT COMMITTEE REVIEWED AND RANK ORDERED THE, UH, RESPONDENTS TO THE PACKAGE BASED UPON THE CRITERIA THAT WERE IN THE RQ.
UM, AND THAT, UH, THE, THE RESULTS OF THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THIS FIRST PAGE IN YOUR, YOUR PACKET HERE.
UM, WILPERT WAS THE, UH, HIGHEST RANKED, UH, CONSULTANT.
AND SO STAFF REACHED OUT TO WOLFERT AND INITIATED COMMUNICATIONS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE SCOPE AND THE FEE.
ULTIMATELY, THE SCOPE I DON'T THINK REALLY CHANGED ALL THAT MUCH AT ALL.
THEY'RE JUST LITTLE MINOR THINGS HERE AND THERE.
AND SO THEY DEVELOPED A FEE WITH RESPECT TO THAT SCOPE.
UM, THE STAFF RECEIVED THE FEE.
WE HAD A COUPLE REVISIONS, UH, IN IT.
UH, BUT, BUT ULTIMATELY THE, THE, THE FEE THAT THEY HAVE IS, UH, $380,000.
AND THAT IS FOR PHASE ONE OF THE ASSESSMENT.
SO THERE'S TWO PHASES WE, WE, UH, DEVELOPED AND OUT OF THAT SCOPE OF WORK, WE IDENTIFIED THINGS THAT WOULD BE PHASE ONE, WHICH WOULD BE MORE TAKING A LOOK AT EXISTING TRAFFIC, DEVELOPING A MODEL TO THAN PROJECTING, GROW THAT TRAFFIC TRAFFIC AND ADD ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC FROM A FIFTH CRUISE TERMINAL, UH, INTO THAT MODEL.
AND WE LOOK AT THAT, UH, AT THE CURRENT YEAR, FIVE YEARS IN THE FUTURE, AND 10 YEARS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, ONE THING I'LL SAY ON PAGE, UH, FOUR OR NO, PAGE THREE, THERE'S A, UH, A FIGURE THAT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THIS, THAT HAS, THIS IS ALL THE INTERSECTIONS THAT, UH, IN ORDER TO BUILD THE MODEL, WE WOULD BE TAKING A LOOK AT COLLECTING, UH, DATA FROM, THERE'S 44 INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE'D BE COLLECTING, UH, TURNING MOVEMENT COUNTS, UH, THEN SOME ADDITIONAL SPOTS WHERE WE'RE, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, ALONG THE ROADWAY SEGMENTS, UM, TO COMPARE THIS TO WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? OH, IT'S ON PAGE THREE.
OH, HERE, THE ONE WITH THE COLOR PAGE.
SO, UH, THE, THE PACKET HAS, UH, GREEN AND RED SHAPE ON THE COVER OF IT.
AND THEN YOU GO TO PAGE THREE OF THAT PACKAGE.
WAS THIS, WAS THIS ONE SENT OUT TO US AS WELL? IT WAS.
SO, SO THIS IS BASICALLY WHERE WE'RE DOING ALL OF OUR DATA COLLECTION.
AND, AND EFFECTIVELY YOU CAN SEE IN GREEN ON THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE AREA THAT, UM, THE, THE COMMITTEE HERE HAD DEVELOPED AS FAR AS THE AREA OF INTEREST.
UM, WOLFER IS TRYING TO KIND OF GET THE BEST DATA FOR THAT, UH, SO THAT THEY NEEDED TO BACK OUT TO KIND OF ADD THE RED AREA AS FAR AS DATA COLLECTION WAS CONCERNED.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID THAT HAPPENS WITH THESE GRID MODELS IS PEOPLE START TURNING OFF AND TURNING OFF
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AND TURNING OFF.AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SO MANY DATA COLLECTION POINTS ALONG THE BROADWAY WAS SO THAT WE COULD GET ENOUGH DATA COLLECTION TO SEE KIND OF WHERE PEOPLE ARE TURNING ON BROADWAY IF THEY ARE KIND OF, UH, MOVING THROUGH THAT, THAT, THAT MODEL.
YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WE HAD MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT WHAT, WHAT IS THE RIGHT GEOGRAPHIC AREA THAT LOOKED LIKE THAT LAST MILE I THINK WAS KIND OF THE, THE THING WE WANTED OR KIND OF CONTINUE I GUESS TO COACH COACHED TO KIND OF FOCUS ON.
BUT LOOKS LIKE, YEAH, YOU BACK OUT TO ALL THOSE INTERSECTIONS ON BROADWAY, WHICH KIND OF GETS TO SOME OF THE POINTS I THINK THAT FOLKS RAISED ABOUT, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO THAT GREEN AREA.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA, I THINK WE'RE GONNA CAPTURE THAT COMMENT BASICALLY WAS IT'S HARD TO DO THIS WITHOUT DOING THIS, DOING THAT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO THEY'RE MONITORING THIS FROM 12 HOUR SPANS, RIGHT? ARE ALL THE SAME TIME DIFFERENT, LIKE HOW MANY OF OF THESE MACHINES DO THEY HAVE AND WILL THEY BE AT, AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER? YOU KNOW? SO YEAH, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, THERE, IT'S GOING TO, AT THE VERY MOST BE OVER TWO WEEKENDS.
IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY COUNTING MACHINES THEY HAVE.
THEY SAID IF WE, WE WAIT TILL SCHOOL IS OUT, THERE'S I GUESS A LOT OF TRAFFIC MONITORING STUFF THAT HAPPENS WITH SCHOOL IS IN SESSION.
THEY SAID THAT THEY, THEY THINK THEY CAN GET IT ALL IN ONE WEEKEND SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DATA WILL BE FROM THE SAME EXACT SNAPSHOT.
SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
THAT THAT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING, HOW, HOW WILL THAT SCHOOL OUT MM-HMM
AND THESE NUMBERS, WILL THAT TRUE NUMBERS, I THINK, I MEAN, UH, 'CAUSE YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH THROUGH THE SCHOOLING, CORRECT? YEAH.
AND I THINK SCHOOL IS, YEAH, LOOKING AT THE, THE, THE, THE PERIODS WHEN CRUISE IS MOST ACTIVE VERSUS WHEN SCHOOLS ZONES ARE MOST ACTIVE.
I THINK THEY, LIKE SCHOOLS ARE MORE ACTIVE IN THE MORNING AND THEN THE AF LATER AFTERNOON, WHEREAS CRUISE IS MOST ACTIVE IN LIKE THE LATE MORNING TIME.
AND SO, AND THEY'RE ALSO ON THE WEEKDAYS VERSUS THE WEEK WEEKENDS.
SO I THINK, UM, TAKING, TAKING A LOOK AT THAT, UH, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, ULTIMATELY I DON'T SEE A BIG THING, BUT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ASK THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT EFFECT OF SCHOOL ZONES AND WHATNOT.
WELL, AND AS WE, AS WE'VE SEEN FROM OUR MASTER PLAN, THERE'S ALSO, UH, MORE AND MORE CREWS COMING IN HERE MM-HMM
AND SO THAT THERE'LL BE SOME OVERLAP THERE.
AND COMPARING THIS BACK IN 2019, THE PORT, UH, DID A, A TRAFFIC STUDY.
UH, AND, AND IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY WE TOOK DATA FROM 24 INTERSECTIONS.
SO, SO ULTIMATELY FROM THAT TRAFFIC STUDY TO THIS TRAFFIC STUDY, WE'RE INCREASING AN ADDITIONAL 20 INTERSECTIONS TO KIND OF GET THAT NEXT LEVEL OF FIDELITY IN THE, THE MODEL.
UM, IF YOU TURN THE PAGE FROM THAT PAGE, THE, THE NEXT FIGURE THAT'S KIND OF A, A TAN COLOR, THIS FIGURE IS THE, THE MODEL THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BUILD.
SO YOU SEE ALL OF THE BLACK LINES IN THAT TAN FIGURE THAT, THAT, THOSE ARE ALL OF THE, THE ROADS THAT THEY WOULD MODEL IN THIS MODEL TO, TO KIND OF, TO, TO THE, THE FIRST THING THEY'RE GONNA DO IS TRY AND AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE, REPLICATE WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING TODAY.
AND THEN BASED ON THAT, THEY WILL THEN PROJECT THAT MODEL OUT TO THE FIVE AND 10 YEAR GUESS.
I NOTICED THE 15TH STREET IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.
I JUST WONDERING WHAT, WHY THAT IS.
THERE'S NO TRAFFIC STUDIES ON 15TH.
YEAH, I THINK THAT, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO THEM IF THAT'S, UH, OF, OF INTEREST.
WE, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS IS BECAUSE THERE'S NO THROUGH STREET INTO THE PORT AT THAT LOCATION MM-HMM
BUT, UM, UH, BUT, BUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE FOR CONSIDERATION, YEAH.
I MEAN, I'M NOT SUGGESTING TO DO A DOZEN DIFFERENT POINTS, BUT AT LEAST, AT LEAST TAKE A LOOK AT IT MM-HMM
PEOPLE, PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT CERTAIN, THEY'RE CLEAR ON HOW THEY'RE GETTING PLACES MIGHT WIND UP ON 15TH STREET, CORRECT? YEAH.
YEAH, JEFF, UM, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A, A LOT OF, UH, PEDESTRIAN GOING FROM THE PORT TO THE, TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT THEY WILL BE COUNT, TELL, TELL ME ABOUT THE COUNTING ON THE PEDESTRIAN AND THE STAGING OF THAT.
YEAH, SO, SO AS, AS PART OF THIS, THEY WILL BE TAKING PEDESTRIAN, UH, COUNTS FOR, FOR THOSE.
AND SO THOSE ARE USUALLY VISUAL OBSERVATIONS OR CAMERA BASED OBSERVATIONS.
BUT THEN THE, THE COMPUTER WOULD, WOULD, WOULD COUNT.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA BE FIGURING OUT WHAT, SO, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING SITE VISITS AS WELL DURING THIS PERIOD.
AND, AND SO ULTIMATELY, WHICH, WHICH ONE ARE THEY DOING? THEIR, THEIR GOAL IN THIS IS GOING TO BE TO SIMULATE THE EFFECT OF THOSE PEDESTRIANS CROSSING ON THE TRAFFIC.
SO, SO, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW IF AT EACH OF THESE LOCATIONS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CAMERA WATCHING OR IF THEY'RE GONNA DO VISUAL OBSERVATIONS AND, AND TAKE THAT
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INTO THE MODEL.BUT I CAN CLARIFY THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, IT'S NOT EXPLICIT IN THEIR PROPOSAL WRITING.
IT SAYS A NUMBER FOUR, COLLECT 12 HOUR TURNING MOVEMENT COUNTS, INCLUDING PEDESTRIAN CROSSING VOLUMES.
AND, AND BECAUSE THE, THE TURNING MOVEMENTS, SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS ON WHICH METHOD THEY COLLECT IT WITH.
IF IT'S A CAMERA, IT CAN PICK UP THE PEDESTRIANS RIGHT AWAY.
IF IT'S THOSE LITTLE TUBES THEY ROLL ACROSS THE ROAD, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO A VISUAL OBSERVATION TO MAYBE SUPPLEMENT THAT.
AND SO I DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW WHAT THEIR METHOD WILL BE FOR COLLECTING THOSE TURNING MOVEMENT COUNTS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY, AND IF THAT'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I CAN MAKE SURE I GO BACK AND WELL, I THINK THE, THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR EACH ONE OF THESE LOCATIONS IDENTIFIED.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR, THEIR PROPOSAL THAT THEY, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT.
I, I'M NOT SURE OF THE METHOD.
ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY CITY WORK OR PORT WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE DURING THIS TIME THAT CAN AFFECT TRAFFIC PATTERNS CLOSING THE STREETS? WELL, WE DID TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT WORK THAT'S HAPPENING ON HARBORSIDE DRIVE WITH THEM, AND THEY SAID IT IS BEST TO WAIT UNTIL WE GET PAST THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, TO, TO, TO KIND OF GET THE BEST SNAPSHOT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ONE LANE FOR A SIGNIFICANT PORTION IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, RIGHT.
AND COLLECTING OUR DATA DURING THAT, THE DATA IS GOING BE SKEWED.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE WAS LIKE JULY DONE WITH THIS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE GOING A LITTLE FASTER THAN THAT.
RIGHT? SO IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE BY THE END OF JULY FOR EVERYTHING EAST OF 51ST STREET FOR DATA COLLECTED NO, FOR WORK ON THAT WAY THESE NUMBERS WILL MEAN SOMETHING.
WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO IT WHEN THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA MEAN SOMETHING
AND THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE GOTTA MONITOR AND NOT JUST GO COLLECT DATA WHEN YOU, WE SAY GO GET THE BAD DATA.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT ULTIMATELY WILL COST US MONEY, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, LIKE YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE VERY LAST PAGE OF THE PROPOSAL, THERE'S A BREAKDOWN BETWEEN FEE, YOU KNOW, DATA COLLECTION ITSELF IS ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE UNDER A THIRD OF THE TOTAL FEE.
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DATA COLLECTION.
TELL ME, TELL ME ABOUT THE, UH, THIS TROLLEY STUDY.
I DUNNO IF I, I'M SAYING TROLLEY, BUT MM-HMM
YEAH, THE, THE, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A PUBLIC TRANSIT PART OF THE MOBILITY.
SO, SO, SO PHASE TWO INCLUDES THAT THAT TRANSIT STUDY, UH, UH, SORRY, IT INCLUDES THE TRANSIT STUDY.
IT INCLUDES, UM, LOOKING AT THE PARKING, UH, IN, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL KIND OF PEDESTRIAN ROUTING MODELS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEREAS THE TRAFFIC STUDY'S LOOKING, IT'S TAKING TRAFFIC COUNTS NECESSARILY, RIGHT? IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING AT THE BEST ROUTES FOR PEDESTRIANS TO TAKE TO GO BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO, SO, SO THE SECOND PHASE OF THE STUDY WOULD TAKE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE FROM THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS ALL THE TRAFFIC COMPONENTS OF IT, AND THEN IT WOULD OVERLAY THAT WITH WHAT ARE SOME, MAYBE SOME TRANSIT TYPE SOLUTIONS OR, OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT COULD MAKE TO MAKE THINGS MORE ACCESSIBLE.
WHAT, WHAT, HOW CAN WE IDENTIFY THESE MAJOR PEDESTRIAN ROUTES AND HAVE THOSE BE FOCUS AREAS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT? AND THEN, UM, MAN, I JUST, I JUST LOST THE OTHER ONE AGAIN.
THE PARKING STUDY, LOOKING AT ALL THE PARKING ASSETS ACROSS THE DOWNTOWN
SO WHEN DO THEY PROJECT, IF EVERYTHING GOES OKAY, MM-HMM
WHEN THEY MIGHT INITIATE PHASE TWO.
SO RIGHT NOW WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED WHEN THEY WOULD START IT BECAUSE THAT WOULD, RIGHT NOW THE 380,000 IS JUST THE, UH, THE KIND OF TRAFFIC PARTS OF IT.
WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR WAS JUST KIND OF CONCURRENCE ON WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS THE, THE PHASE TWO PORTIONS.
AND THEN THEY'D COST THAT OUT AND WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO, TO, TO, UH, TO KIND OF GET A SECONDARY APPROVAL ON THAT.
UM, AS FAR AS, UH, THEY DO HAVE A TIMEFRAME ON THE LAST PAGE, UH, PHASE TWO, SO, YOU KNOW, STARTING IN FALL, WINTER 2026, UH, THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE OF ITEMS HERE ABOUT BASICALLY THREE TO FOUR MONTHS WORTH OF WORK, ROUGHLY.
A QUARTER, QUARTER TO A THIRD OF A YEAR, IT'S WORTH OF WORK.
AND SO THE FINAL MOBILITY STUDY WOULD BE PUBLISHED SOMETIME Q2 OF 2027.
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SOMETIME IN Q4 26, PROBABLY, OR Q3, Q3 MAYBE.YEAH, IT WOULD BE BASED UPON THIS.
UM, AND, AND RIGHT NOW FOR PHASE ONE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT GETTING THE NOTICE, PROCEED DOING DATA COLLECTION DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS AND THEN BEING WRAPPED UP, UH, HAVING A DRAFT MEMO BY AUGUST AND THE FINAL MEMO BY SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.
PHASE ONE AND TWO AND EVERYTHING.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S FOR PHASE ONE.
ONCE, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET CONCURRENCE ON A, A FEE FOR, FOR THAT, THEY'D KICK IT OFF FOR ANTICIPATING, KIND OF FOLLOWING THE TRAFFIC PORTION.
BUT WE COULD PROBABLY DO THAT CONCURRENT TOO, IF WE GOT, YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY WE DON'T HAVE A PROPOSED FEE FOR PHASE TWO.
SO I, I HAD SOME DIRECTION, I BELIEVE IT WAS FROM THIS, THAT WE WERE TRYING TO, TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THE TRAFFIC PORTIONS AND THE FIRST TO GET THAT KIND OF ACCELERATED.
AND THEN, AND THEN, AND HONESTLY, THE REASON YOU DON'T HAVE IT TODAY IS JUST BECAUSE WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DEVELOP IT.
WE WERE FOCUSING ON THE, THE TRAFFIC PORTION OF THE FEE.
WELL, UH, I JUST, IT'S, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROJECT AND YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST THINKING IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THE WHOLE PROJECT, ALL THAT, ALL OF THE, ALL OF THEIR, UH, PROPOSED FEES SO WE CAN FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR IT.
SO, UH, ARE, ARE YOU, YOU GOT ANY PLANNING TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS ON THAT PART OF PHASE TWO? WELL, AND HONESTLY, WHENEVER WE STARTED THIS NEGOTIATIONS, I SAID WHAT I NEED BEFORE THIS MEETING IS A FEE THAT WE AGREE ON BY THE TRAFFIC STUDY, AND IF YOU CAN GET ME THE FEE FOR THE WHOLE STUDY, THEN GIVE IT TO ME.
BUT THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THAT QUITE TOGETHER.
I WAS JUST, WHEN WE DO, WELL, THIS COMMITTEE WILL RECOMMEND I GUESS AN ACTION BY WARS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE THEY'D WANT TO SEE THE WHOLE PACKAGE BEFORE SIGNING OFF ON THAT.
I DON'T, I DON'T NECESSARILY, I I'M JUST GONNA SAY I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SO SURE WE COULDN'T INITIATE I, BASED ON, I MEAN THIS FEED DOESN'T BLOW ME AWAY AT ALL.
I THINK IT'S A VERY REASONABLE OH, YEAH.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE FEE.
IT'S THE, AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT PHASE TWO WOULD BE SIMILAR OR MAYBE LESS.
I DUNNO, IT'S NOT GONNA, IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE THE AMOUNT OF MEASUREMENT.
LIKE, AND I DID A LITTLE COMPARISON OF THIS FEE TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
I HAVEN'T DONE A PARKING STUDY BEFORE.
SO, SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE IN THE DARK ON THAT, BUT I CAN TRY AND GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM.
AND, AND WELL, FOR CITY COUNCIL WE HAVE UNTIL THE FOURTH TUESDAY OF MAY, SO THERE'S SOME TIME YEAH, YEAH.
WHEN WOULD YOU EXPECT, I MEAN, KIND OF BALLPARK WHEN YOU KIND OF EXPECT THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT? NO, THE SECOND PART BEFORE THE, LIKE, SO, SO IT, IT TOOK US ABOUT THREE WEEKS TO GET THIS TOGETHER THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO I WOULD ASSUME THREE WEEKS OR LESS, I'M SURE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON IT.
UM, AND I THINK THAT THAT PIECE ALSO INVOLVES, UH, A SUBCONTRACTOR AS WELL.
SO, UM, I IT'S A DIFFERENT SCOPE TOO.
IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SCOPE.
BUT, BUT I, I CAN, I CAN GET FEEDBACK ON THAT.
I, I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT BEFORE THE, THE COUNCIL MEETING WE COULD HAVE IT BACK.
IT'S REALLY, THEN WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE IT BACK BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE, BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING WOULD BE THE QUESTION.
AND SO THAT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE TWO, TWO OR THREE WEEKS IS REALLY ALL WE HAVE.
SO, UM, I, I, I, I'LL ACCEPT THAT CHALLENGE.
WHEN THE MAY, WHEN, WHEN THE, Y'ALL MAY MEETING 20, THE 20TH, WERE WE 28TH, 23RD.
I'M SORRY, OURS IS THE 28TH MM-HMM
BUT I WOULD THINK, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE MOBILIZATION AS PHASE TWO OR YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S THE KIND OF THE, THE TRANSIT, UH, OR OR TROLLEY PORTION OF IT.
THERE'S THE ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN KIND OF ROUTING AS WELL AS THE PARKING STUDY.
SO, UH, LOOKING AT ALL THE PARKING ASSETS AND, AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL NEEDS FROM LIKE A, FROM, FROM A DENSITY PER ZONE, YOU KNOW, TYPE TYPE BASIS OR, OR BUSINESS TYPE.
AND THEN, AND THEN LOOKING AT THOSE PARKING ASSETS AND, AND, AND TRYING TO DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, BETTER PARKING STRATEGIES OR PARKING, UM, MAYBE EVEN CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT YOU COULD DO TO ENHANCE THE PARKING.
IS, IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THAT SCOPE.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, YEAH, SORRY, BUT I MEAN, THE CITY AT THE SAME TIME IS DOING A MOBILIZATION STUDY.
SO I REALLY THINK THAT PHASE TWO, WE SOMEHOW, THERE HAS TO BE SOME COORDINATION BECAUSE WHY WOULD WE BE PAYING FOR THE SAME THING TWO TIMES? ADDITIONALLY, I'M WORKING WITH THE PARK BOARD TO
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LOOK AT WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THERE.WHAT MANY CITIES LIKE OURS DO, UM, IS THERE IS A WAY TO DO WHAT'S CALLED A CIRCULATOR, WHICH WOULD BE LIKE A WHEEL TROLLEY THAT COULD CIRCULATE FROM HOTELS TO WHATNOT.
SO I WOULD THINK WE ALSO WOULD WANT TO HAVE THE PARK BOARDS BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT COULD BE COVERED.
SOMETHING THAT COULD BE COVERED BY HOT TECHS.
SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD RUSH INTO GETTING NUMBERS ON PHASE TWO WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
WE SHOULD MAKE SURE IT'S ALL COORDINATED SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOUBLE PAYING, BUT GOOD WORK.
SO WHAT IS, THIS IS THE ONLY MOBILITY STUDY WE GOT GOING RIGHT NOW FOR DOWNTOWN.
THE, THAT OTHER $24 MILLION IS NOT A MOBILITY STUDY.
THAT'S AMENITIES, BUT UH, UH, IT'S WHAT IT'S AMENITIES FOR DOWNTOWN HISTORY.
WELL, BUT WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING AT OR CIRCULATING IT, IT'S IN THE SCOPE OF WORK TO LOOK AT CIRCULATING TROLLEY BETWEEN THE CRUISE SHIP TERMINALS IN DOWNTOWN.
THAT THAT'S IN THE SCOPE OF WORK.
I THINK IT'S, UH, RIGHT BEHIND.
TASK FOUR, RUBBER TILE, RUBBER TIRE TROLLEY, FEASIBILITY AND SHUTTLE INTEGRATION.
IS THAT IN THE FIRST PHASE? SECOND PHASE? IT'S IN THE SECOND PHASE.
I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US AS THIS AWARENESS OF WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE AND ANY OTHER EFFORTS, THE PARK BOARD OR ANY OTHER HAVE TOUCH THIS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, WE NEED TO BRING THEM IN, MAKE SURE QUARTER THEIR KEY STAKEHOLDERS.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT LOT CONCERNED ABOUT ALL ALONG.
SO WE DID THE SAFE STREETS, WHICH HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION IN US, AND NOW WE'RE DOING THIS RIGHT HERE.
UM, AND WE DON'T HAVE, UM, I, I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN REALLY TOTALLY MAKE THE DECISION ON THIS WITHOUT HAVING THE, AS YOU SAID BEFORE, NO, WITHOUT HAVING TRAFFIC, SO, OH, YEAH.
AND, AND, AND DO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CITY IS DOING IN TERMS OF YOUR, ARE YOU DOING A STUDY AT ALL WITH THE 24 MILLION OR IS THAT JUST OH YEAH.
IT'S NOT ABOUT TRAFFIC, I GUESS IT'S ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT CONNECTIVITY DOWNTOWN AND AMENITIES AND, UH, FLOOD PROTECTION AND THAT KIND OF THING.
THERE IS PART OF IT THAT DOES COME BACK, BUT CONNECTIVITY, MEANING, YEAH, CONNECTIVITY.
CONNECTIVITY MEANING MAKING IT MORE INTUITIVE AND SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS TO MOVE NORTH AND SOUTH BETWEEN TRAN POST OFFICE AND MARKET, CHURCH STREET AND ALL THAT.
IT'S, UH, HARBORSIDE THE CHURCH 26TH TO 19TH.
AND HAVE YOU GUYS ALREADY WORKSHOPPED ALL THAT? NO.
UH, THAT, THAT PROJECT IS JUST STARTING DATA COLLECTION PHASE.
THERE, THERE, THIS WILL BE A, THAT'S GONNA BE A YEAR LONG.
BUT I, I JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT THREE ENTITIES HERE THAT HAVE AN INTEREST.
SO I'M, I'M THINKING WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THREE ENTITIES ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS.
WELL, NOT, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
WHY, SO YOU'RE SEEING WHAT WE'RE DOING TO COURT.
THERE'S NO SENSE IN SPENDING REDUNDANCY, RIGHT? THERE'S NO SENSE IN APPROACHING IT FROM THREE DIFFERENT, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE EACH PARTY IN THE ROOM LOOK AT HOW WE COORDINATE IT.
'CAUSE IT'S OUR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, WHETHER IT'S A GRANT OR WHETHER IT'S THIS OR THAT, IT'S PEOPLE'S DOLLARS.
I CAN SEND YOU THE, THE WHOLE SCOPE OF WORK PACKAGE FOR THE 24 MILLION IF IT'LL HELP THE CONSULTANTS COME UP WITH THEIR SOMETHING.
WELL, AND I, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE NO, I HAVE YOU HAVE.
I MEAN THAT'S WHY IN THIS SCOPE WE DO INCLUDE COMP, YOU KNOW, REFERENCE.
THEY'RE ONE OF, THEY'RE PART OF THE STAKEHOLDERS IDENTIFY THIS.
SO IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER REAL ESTATE MEETING BETWEEN NOW AND THE, UH, MEETINGS THAT WE BOTH HAVE, THEN MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE PARTS BOARDS THERE.
AND YOU KNOW, BECAUSE HERE AGAIN, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, RIGHT? SO LET'S JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE GETTING BRANDON OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE TO COME, RIGHT.
HE'S GONNA, AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHO THE PARCH BOARD HAS SOMEBODY TECHNICAL, OR IS IT, ARE THEY USING CITY FOR THAT PARTS BOARD BEING TODAY? I CAN CERTAINLY, UH, SAY THAT, YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE NEEDED TO COORDINATE WITH OUR NEXT REAL ESTATE MEETING SOMETIME BEFORE OUR CITY COUNCIL WILL.
AND MARTY, I'VE HAD CONVERSATION WITH MARTY.
HE SAYS, BEN, I WANT, WE WANNA DO SOMETHING.
IT'D BE GREAT TO HAVE THEM IN THE ROOM.
AND THEN, AND I THINK JEFFREY IN HERE, I KNOW TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL, THERE WAS SOME, SOME OVERSIGHT COMMITTEES OR SOME GROUPS TO WORK WITH THE, WITH THE
AND I THINK HAVING THE RIGHT REPRESENTATION FROM, AS YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT ALL BOARD, BOARD, THE CITY AND THE PARKS BOARD AND, AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IS GONNA BE, I CAN SHARE THIS, UH, THIS, THIS DATA THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY ABOUT, THAT'D BE GREAT.
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WE CAN WORK WITH.IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO WORK TOGETHER AS WELL.
WE CAN ALL PUT OUR OFFICES IN THE
WHICH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE THAT CERTAINLY COULD BECOME, WE COULD LOOK AT HOW WE COULD USE THAT TO REDUCE THE BURDEN ON OUR CITIZENS DOWNTOWN.
JEFFREY, THE PARKING ON THE, UH, I GUESS THE PEDESTRIAN, I KNOW SHARON BROUGHT UP SOME COMMENTS HERE ABOUT, I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE SAFE STREETS WORK THAT'S GOING ON.
UH, WE'RE DOING SOME WORK ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY GONNA START DOING SOME WORK HERE.
SO, AND I GUESS THE WHOLE PEDESTRIAN, MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN ASPECT OF THIS AND WHAT, WHAT WE KIND OF SEE COMING OUT OF THAT AS FAR AS MAKING IT SAFER FOR PEOPLE TO WALK BACK AND FORTH OVER HARBORSIDE AND CARRY THEIR LUGGAGE DOWN 16TH STREET.
AND, AND HERE'S ALSO, YOU GOT A HANDOUT WITH SOME COMMENTS BY SHARON.
YEAH, NO, I, I ONLY GAVE IT TO SHARON AND I DIDN'T OH, EVERYBODY DIDN'T HAVE THAT? NO, I COPY.
NO, I DIDN'T KNOW IF MS. LEWIS WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT.
YEAH, MAYBE SHE, MAYBE SHARON, DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND KIND OF GIVE US A NOTE.
YOU HAVE SHORT FUSE, RIGHT? BUT IS IT ON THE AGENDA? WELL, AS PART OF FOR COMMENTS, THESE ARE LIKE COMMENTS.
IT'S JUST KIND OF TAKE ON MY QUESTION.
DID JEFFREY, ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN ASPECT OF IT? WELL, I JUST WANTED MAKE SURE BECAUSE YOU HAD SOME STUFF AND YOU WANTED TO GO TALK, RIGHT? AND IT'S BASICALLY, AND I THINK IT PROBABLY GOES IN THE PHASE TWO MORE SO I THINK, BUT IT'S JUST, UH, GREAT DATA THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US.
UM, AND I THINK WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED, OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT PROTECTIVE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING, UH, CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK CORD AS POSSIBLY BICYCLE LANES ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, UM, FOR SAFETY OR A SEPARATION OF THE SHUTTLE VEHICLE AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF Y'ALL HAVE DROPPED PEOPLE OFF AT THE PORT, BUT EVERYBODY'S ALWAYS KIND OF ANXIOUS IN GOING.
SO MORE, MORE SIGNAGE I THINK IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
UH, SO THESE WERE MOSTLY RELATED, UH, TO THAT.
UM, I DO SEE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WALKING WITH LUGGAGE.
AND THEY DON'T MIND IT THOUGH.
THEY, IT'S LIKE, UH, SO SAVES SOME MONEY.
BUT PEOPLE WALKING WITH LUGGAGE IN THE STREET, THREE OR FOUR BLOCKS AWAY FROM THE CRUISE SHIP TERMINAL IS NOT SAFE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ALLUDING TO.
UM, IMPROVE, UM, VISITOR EXPERIENCE AND THEN REDUCE THE LONG-TERM LIABILITY AND SAFETY RISK.
SO IT'S KIND OF WHAT'S IN THERE, BUT WITH THE FOCUS ON, ESPECIALLY THE BICYCLE LANES AND THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS.
SO, SO, UM, LET ME, THE FIRST ONE, THE BICYCLE LANES, I THINK THAT'S AN EASY ONE.
RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO SCOPE IN HERE FOR BICYCLE LANES, RIGHT? RIGHT NOW IS, IT'S, UM, WE, WE COULD, IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE, WE CAN ALWAYS TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW, FROM A FOR PEDESTRIAN ASPECT, THERE'S, THERE'S, TO TRY AND SUMMARIZE IT IN THE TWO KEY POINTS.
ONE IS IDENTIFYING EXISTING TRAFFIC VOLUME OR PEDESTRIAN VOLUMES SO THAT WE CAN ACCURATELY REPLICATE THEIR EFFECT ON THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AT THE INTERSECTIONS.
THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE'RE DOING.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING, IT'S MORE OF LIKE A STRATEGIC PEDESTRIAN PLAN.
BECAUSE WHETHER OR NOT THE PLAN RECOMMENDS I, I WOULDN'T SEE THIS MOBILITY STUDY RECOMMENDING SPECIFIC PEDESTRIAN FEATURES, UM, BECAUSE THE SAFE STREETS HAS LIKELY ALREADY DONE.
THIS, THIS WILL BE TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT THE SAFE STREETS PROGRAM DONE BY THE CITY AND THE PORT WOULD BE IN KIND OF DEVELOPING THAT OVERALL STRATEGY.
BECAUSE THE SAFE STREETS FOR THE PORT WAS HARBORSIDE DRIVE AND NORTH MM-HMM
FOR THE CITY, IT WAS HARBORSIDE DRIVE AND SOUTH YOU'VE GOT THE SAFE STREETS PRO, NOT THE SAFE STREETS PROGRAM, THE, UH, STREET SAFE SCAPE PROGRAM THAT'S LOOKING AT THOSE STRAND TO POST OFFICE AREAS.
AND, AND SO THIS IS LOOKING AT A GLOBAL LIKE, HEY, FROM, FROM REALLY THAT WHOLE GREEN AREA, RIGHT? THAT WE HAVE HAD DEVELOPED IN THE, THE VERY BEGINNING ON THE COVER PAGE, LOOKING AT LIKE THE GLOBAL KIND OF STRATEGY FOR MOVING PEDESTRIANS MOST EFFECTIVELY WITHIN THIS GREEN AREA.
UM, BUT, BUT NOT, I DON'T SEE THIS SCOPE RIGHT NOW.
IT DOES HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT IN HERE, BUT I, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA GET INTO MAYBE A, A REAL HIGH FIDELITY OF WHAT THOSE THINGS ARE.
IT WOULD BE LOOKING AT LIKE DEVELOPING, LET'S SAY A CORRIDOR ON THIS STREET VERSUS THAT STREET.
BUT, BUT ARE WE GONNA HAVE RAMPS AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS? IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T GET DOWN TO THAT FIDELITY, HOW IT'S WRITTEN.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE SAFE STREETS COULD COME IN.
SO THIS IS GONNA GET, PROVIDE US WITH A DATA THAT WILL HELP US INFORM
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AND MAYBE PRIORITIZE WHAT WE DO SAFER.AND THE REASON I EMPHASIZE BICYCLES IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE USING THAT AS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE.
EVEN THOUGH YOU MIGHT NOT BE GOING ON A CRUISE, THEN YOU'RE STILL COMING DOWN HERE RIDING YOUR BICYCLE, GOING TO THE RESTAURANT OR DOING WHATEVER.
SO THAT'S WHY I, I EMPHASIZE, UH,
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, I DON'T THINK IT IS.
I THINK THE SAFE STREETS GRANT JUST CAME IN IN THE LAST YEAR AND WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING THE SCOPE OF IT.
BUT VERY MUCH THE SITTING ON THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY COMMITTEE, VERY MUCH THE, THE GOAL OF SAFE STREETS IS ABOUT PEDESTRIAN MOVEMENT, NOT JUST STREETS AND DECOR AND WHATNOT.
SO THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, I'M GONNA EMPHASIZE IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR THE THREE GROUPS THAT GET TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT HAVING REDUNDANCIES.
AND SO ANYTIME THAT THERE IS, IF THERE'S FEDERAL MONEY INVOLVED, THEN THERE IS, UM, THERE IS BIKE LANES.
BUT UM, CERTAINLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AREA, IT'S HISTORIC.
WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE AWAY A LAND A A LANE OF PARKING TO ADD A BIKE LANE.
AND YOU REALLY, WITH THE TROLLEY, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY IT HAS TO BE VERY MUCH COORDINATED.
AND THAT'S MY THOUGHT IS THE MORE WE CAN START THAT CIRCULATOR CONCEPT, IT RELIEVES THE CONGESTION AND BECAUSE IT WOULD QUALIFY FOR HOT, IT ALSO RELIEVES SOME OF THE HOT IT RELIEVES, UH, SOME OF THE FINANCIAL BURDENS.
WELL, WELL, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE DID AN EXERCISE THAT WE DID INTERNALLY HERE THAT, AND JEFF, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE HOOKED UP, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS A, IS A OVERALL OVERLAY OF THE CITY.
'CAUSE WHAT WE DID WAS WE, WE SAT DOWN AND REALIZED WE HAVE FOUR, FIVE, REALLY FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT PROJECTS GOING ON AT ONCE.
AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OVERLAP.
SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE SAID, HERE'S WHAT WE, HERE'S ALL OF 'EM, HERE'S OUR STUFF.
WHAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD BE DOING THIS WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY'S DOING.
AND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A, I MEAN, I KNOW WE ALL TALK ABOUT OUR MASTER PLANS.
EVERYBODY DOES THEIR OWN MASTER PLAN.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO, TO MAP OUT WHAT EVERYBODY HAS GOING ON BECAUSE THEN THIS COULD BE EASIER TO PLAN IN THE FUTURE FOR THE PIECES THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THIS, THIS, THAT'S NOT THE WAY TO LEVERAGE OUR EFFORT.
IS, IS, IS ONE PLAN MIGHT HELP INFORM ANOTHER PLAN, RIGHT? RIGHT.
AND GET EVEN MORE BETTER RESULTS.
BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE GOING, YOU DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE GOING AND THE PARKS BOARD, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEY HAVE GOING, BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT STAGE RIGHT HERE WHERE WE GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER.
AND BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEXT STEP, IT'S REALLY A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.
MONEY ON THE TABLE, AN OPPORTUNITY BUSINESS HELP CITIZENS.
I SAID THERE'S MONEY ON TABLE.
YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET VERY DEEP INTO SOCIAL MEDIA TO REALIZE PEOPLE THINK CITIZENS THINK WE HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITY THERE.
SO THAT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
CARNIVAL JUST SAID, HEY, WE'RE BRINGING ANOTHER WHOLE BRAND NEW SHIP HERE.
AND UH, AND THAT'S NOT GONNA BE THE END OF IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE.
JEFF, ARE YOU TRYING TO FIND, YOU HAD, TRYING TO FIND YOUR SLIDE THERE.
YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT.
TRYING I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU TIME.
SAFE STREETS OVER LATE, BUT, UH, YEAH.
WHEN DOES THE STATE, THE, NOW WE'VE GOT THE SAFE STREETS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY, WE'RE DONE, WE'RE INTO THE ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION PHASE, RIGHT.
WE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE MONEY FROM THE STATE, 2.8 MILLION, SOME OF IT, BUT THE TOTAL PLAN WAS A LITTLE BIT OVER 10 10.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, SO, AND WE CONTINUE, WE NOW ARE IN IN APPLICATION TIME CYCLE FOR THAT.
WE DIDN'T GET FUNDED FROM THE FEDS ON THAT, BUT YOU COULDN'T, BUT INDIRECTLY, I THINK IT WAS FEDS, BUT UH, YOU KNOW, CAME THROUGH THE STATE.
SO WHAT'S THE, SO THAT, THAT'S IN ENGINEERING NOW ON THAT SAFE STREETS PIECE, JEFFREY? NO, SO, SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN KIND OF GRANT EXECUTION CODE.
SO WE'VE GOTTA FINALIZE OUR A FA AND THEN AFTER WE FINALIZE OUR AFA, WE'VE GOTTA DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO LOOK FOR REIMBURSEMENT ON ENGINEERING PHASES, BECAUSE THAT COMES WITH ADDITIONAL STRINGS ATTACHED IF YOU WANT TO, OR YOU CAN GO PAY FOR THE ENGINEERING YOURSELF AS YOU'RE, AND THEN JUST GET REIMBURSEMENT ON THE CONSTRUCTION ELEMENTS.
AND SO THAT'LL BE THE NEXT DECISION POINT WE COME TO.
AND THAT STUDY LOOKED AT THE, UH, SAFETY
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OF CROSSING BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND HARBORSIDE.RIGHT? IT WAS WHAT, HOW MANY INTERSECTIONS? I GET THE NUMBERS ON THE, PRETTY MUCH, PRETTY MUCH FROM 14TH TO 33RD, 37TH, FIRST 50.
SO ALL THOSE INTERSECTIONS, THE CRITICAL POINT IS RIGHT THERE BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND THE HARBORSIDE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE MO MOVING.
WE WANT, WE WANNA MAKE IT EASY AND INTUITIVE AND SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO MOVE FROM DOWNTOWN TO THE WATERFRONT AND BACK.
AND, AND THAT WAS THE ONES, I THINK AS ROGER SAID, THE WHOLE SCOPE WAS $10 MILLION.
AND I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE ST.
ROGER TEAM, WERE ABLE TWO STAY 2.8 AND WE PRIORITIZED ON LIKE 14TH TO 30 SOME OF THE, THE INTERSECTIONS RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE.
BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
SO, SO THAT, THOSE ARE DESCRIBE, WE'RE STARTING TO GET INTO THE EXECUTION OR THE DESIGN AND EXECUTION PHASE.
THOSE, SO THAT, THOSE ARE, WE ARE A LOT OF DETAIL ON THAT.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, EACH INTERSECTION, THEY, AND THAT'S AGAIN, PART OF THE COORDINATION.
'CAUSE EACH INTERSECTION THEY DE DETAILED OUT, HERE'S HOW YOU MAKE IT BETTER.
AND I REMEMBER THE GOAL OF THAT PROGRAM IS ZERO DEATHS, RIGHT? THEY, THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY THEY FRAME IT.
THEY, THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE GETTING, YOU KNOW, INJURED CROSSING THE STREET.
SO THAT'S THE, THE FOCUS OF THAT IS HOW DO YOU KEEP PEOPLE SAFE.
I THINK I'LL HAVE THIS UP IN ONE MOMENT.
I KEEP TRYING TO, I'M, I'M TRYING TO FILIBUSTER HERE
I, SO YEAH, LET ME WALK HERE REAL QUICK AND SHOW YOU.
SO THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE HAVE GOING ON.
UH, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW IS THIS RED OUTLINE HERE.
UM, THE BLUE OUTLINE IS WE GOT, UH, IT'S A WAYFINDING PROJECT THAT INCLUDES ENGINEERING AND UH, WELL ACTUALLY THE ENGINEERING'S NOT IRREVERSIBLE, BUT IT'S CONSTRUCTION OF WAYFINDING WITHIN THIS BLUE THAT'S PART OF STATE STREET.
NO, THAT'S, UH, SEAPORT CONNECTIVITY FUNDS WE GOT FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE.
AND THEN, AND SO PARK BOARD IS ALSO DOING A WAY FINDING PROJECT AND YEAH, WE, WE, WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THEM AND WE ACTUALLY REFERENCED THEIR PROJECT IN OUR RQ.
UM, THAT ONE, THAT THE BLUE, THAT ONE, WE'RE LOOKING TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD IN MAY FOR APPROVAL ON AN ENGINEERING CONTRACT.
UM, WELL WE NEED SOME ENGINEERS WRITING THIS LEGISLATION BECAUSE THEY DON'T EVER GET PAID IN THESE THINGS.
WE ALWAYS HAVE TO DO THE ENGINEERING PAPERWORK.
WE HAVE, WE FINALLY, WE WILL HAVE THE FIRST, UH, ENGINEER SENATOR WITH DENNIS FALL.
WE NEED SOMEBODY TO GET REIMBURSEMENT FOR ENGINEERING.
THE, THE YELLOW LINE HERE, THAT'S OUR SAFE STREET STUDY.
SO THAT WENT FROM 14TH STREET, ALL WOOD 51ST STREET.
SO THAT WAS ALREADY COMPLETED.
WE GOT THE MONEY FOR REALLY? YEAH, LIKE YOU SAID, MOSTLY IN THIS AREA.
OH, YOU GOT THE MONEY FOR, FOR THE, THE STUDY IN THAT AREA.
SO, NO, SO, SO WE DID THE STUDY.
WE THEN SUBMITTED THAT BACK TO THE SAFE STREETS PROGRAM AS WELL AS, UH, TDOT'S CATEGORY NINE CALL FOR PROJECTS.
AND SO WE RECEIVED MONEY FROM THE CATEGORY NINE CALL FOR PROJECTS, BUT NOT FROM SAFE STREETS.
AND THAT'S THE 2.8 MILLION OF THE $10 MILLION WE HAD IN OUR CS A.
AND WHAT'S THAT PROJECT? IS THAT GO IN TOWARDS THAT? RIGHT NOW THAT IS, IS INTERSECTIONS IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S MINOR STUFF KIND OF DOWN HERE, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE WORK IS AT 25TH STREET IS WHAT I BELIEVE THAT'S IN THE HARBORSIDE AREA.
THE HARBORSIDE ON HARBORSIDE DRIVE, YES.
THAT, THAT'S FUNDED, SORRY, ENGINEERING ON THAT NOW.
SO NO, THAT'S THE ONE WHERE WE'RE IN THE GRANT EXECUTION NOW.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO ENGINEERING PENDING IF WE WANT TO SEEK REIMBURSEMENT ON ENGINEERING OR NOT.
IT'LL BE TWO DIFFERENT ROUTES.
CAN YOU SEND, SEND US THAT RE THAT, THAT SCOPE OF WORK FOR THAT, THAT PART RIGHT THERE FOR PROJECT? UM, YEAH, YEAH.
WHAT WE SUBMITTED, ACTUALLY WE DID EARLIER.
WE CAN, I MEAN WE CAN, IT'S COME UP BEFORE WE CAN SEND IT.
IF I HEARD BOB CORRECTLY, THERE, THERE WOULD BE A SIXTH COLOR ON THIS WHERE THE CITY'S MOBILITY PLAN ENDS IS ON HARBOR SIDE.
AND HOW FAR SOUTH WOULD THAT GO? AND THAT'S THE OVERLAP.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THIS CHART HERE.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE WOULD THOSE BOUNDARIES FOR THE CITY'S MOBILITY PLAN BE? WELL, THIS, LIKE I SAID, THE CITY CITY IS NOT DOING A MOBILITY PLAN RIGHT NOW.
IT'S A STREETSCAPE, IT'S A STREET SCAP THAT, THAT, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS STREETSCAPE.
YEAH, THAT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S FROM HARPER'S SIDE OF THE CHURCH AND FROM 26TH TO 19, IF I UNDERSTAND IT.
SO THAT BE, BUT THE SCOPE IS NOT FINALIZED.
THEY GOT THE, THE, UH, THE CONSULTANT HIRED.
LIKE AGAIN, I CAN SEND YOU ALL THE SCOPE STREET.
WHAT, WHAT IS THE, UH, WHAT, JEFF, DO YOU WANT FINISH THAT? YEAH, YEAH, SORRY.
WE STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
UM, WE LOST THESE TWO, I MEAN, FOR, FOR THE BLUE AND THE, THE AMBER OUT HERE.
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RECEIVED FROM THE CALL FOR PROJECTS FOR HGAC.AND WE'RE IN SCOPE DEVELOPMENT ON, UH, BASICALLY ONE CONTRACT THAT WOULD STUDY THE I 45 FLYOVER WITHIN THIS RANGE AND THEN PORT ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND THOSE ARE JUST STUDY, NO, NO, NO CONSTRUCTION.
THAT'S WHAT WE GOT FROM, UH, SHOOT, IT WAS IT THE RAYS GRANT WE RECEIVED, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE 400.
YEAH, IT'S FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
IT'S FEDERAL MONEY THAT WE RECEIVED FOR, IT'S CALLED A INTERMODAL MOBILITY STUDY.
AND, AND THIS, THIS ONE DOES HAVE, LIKE YOU'VE MENTIONED, A BIKE ASPECT TO IT.
SO WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT SOME BIKE ASPECT IN THIS GREEN, UH, GON RIGHT BETWEEN THEN DAYS, NO
UH, WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BIKE LANES MM-HMM
UM, DO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY, THE CITY WAS CONSIDERING SOMETHING A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT THESE ELECTRIC TRANSIT, THE SCOOTERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, 30 MILES AN HOUR.
WELL, BUT THEY, THEY ARE A VERY RAPIDLY EVOLVING MODE OF TRANSPORTATION.
PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD ANYTHING ELSE.
SO THAT, THAT IS A STUDY THAT, THAT THE, THAT THE CITY'S WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S GONNA START REALLY PRETTY SOON, BUT IT GOES, IT'S A MULTIMODAL STUDY FROM EAST END OF THE ISLAND TO THE WEST END.
SO IT JUST COVERS THE SEA WALL AND FROM THERE IT GOES DOWN 3 0 0 5.
AND IT'S LOOKING AT ALL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION AND, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S SAFE, WHAT'S NOT SAFE.
AND, AND IT'S GONNA, THEY'RE ALSO GONNA FUND A PILOT PROJECT SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA TO DO SOME TYPE OF RESING OR LAYING REORGANIZATION SIDEWALK.
SOMETHING TO KIND OF DEMONSTRATE HOW THEY MIGHT ADDRESS SOME OF THE SAFETY THINGS.
WELL, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PROBABLY HALF OF THE WORKFORCE DOWNTOWN MUST RIDE THOSE SCOOTERS.
I MEAN, THEY'RE ZIPPING BY ALL THE TIME.
WELL, AND THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ADDRESSING IT BECAUSE IT'S BECOME AN ISSUE OF ALMOST HITTING OR HITTING PEDESTRIANS OR THE SCOOTER GETTING HIT BY THE CAR.
SO WE, WE'VE REALIZED THAT, AND WE ARE VERY MUCH, BUT MY POINT WAS THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BIKE LANES, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE ALSO.
THERE'S ELECTRONIC BIKES THAT CAN GO 40 MILES AN HOUR AND THEY'RE DRIVING ON, UH, THE SIDEWALK.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S FRIGHTENING.
AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO 3 0 0 5, THERE ARE NO BIKE LANES AT ALL.
AND ANNUALLY THERE IS AT LEAST THREE DEATHS TO, DEPENDING UPON THE YEAR OF THEY'RE DRIVING IN THE SHOULDER AND SOMEONE'S ON THEIR PHONE OR WHATNOT.
I LOST ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS TO A LADY HITTING HIM ON EASTER SATURDAY.
SO IT'S VERY MUCH AN ISSUE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
DID JEFFREY, ANY OTHER SAY ANY LAST WORDS WISDOM? UM, NO.
I MEAN, I, I, SO ONE OF MY TAKEAWAYS IS, IS A LOT MORE COORDINATION MULTIPARTY WITH, WITH PHASE TWO AND, AND, UM, WHAT WE, WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS, IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR CONSIDERATION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IS THE, THE PHASE ONE KIND FEE COMPLETE FOR THAT.
BUT, BUT FOR SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, PHASE TWO WILL REQUIRE A LOT MORE COORDINATION WITH CITY, WITH THE PARKS BOARD AS YELLOW ALSO.
DON'T WE HAVE MORE, WE STILL HAVE TIME, RIGHT? IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY GETTING STARTED ON THIS TILL THEY'RE DONE OUT HERE.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S MY TAKEAWAY FROM TODAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO BUILD, WE CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THIS, WE CAN DO THAT.
I'M AMAZED AT THE HEADWAY THAT YOU MADE OUT HERE, LIKE WHAT YOU MADE IN LIKE FISHERMAN'S WORTH AND ALL THAT.
AND IT'S AMAZING HOW QUICKLY YOU GOT THAT DONE.
BUT THEY'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IT STARTED A WHILE BACK, IF IT'S POSSIBLE.
I MEAN, BUT I GO TO ROTARY THERE, SO I INTERACT WITH THAT AREA.
ROGER, WE'RE ALMOST DONE, ROGER, ON THE, ON THE COORDINATION.
UM, IT'S, IT'S GONNA TAKE LEADERSHIP AT THE PORT, AT THE UH, WARS BOARD AND AT THE CITY.
IT'S GONNA TAKE CONSTANT ATTENTION TO THIS COORDINATION BY LEADERSHIP, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S JUST, AND THE
'CAUSE IT, IT IS FOR GALVESTON, IT'S GONNA BE UNIQUE TO GET THIS COORDINATION DONE.
WELL, IT'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY.
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AND THE PAYOFFS ARE JUST UNBELIEVABLE.I MEAN, IF WE CAN GET, IF WE CAN GET, IF WE CAN INCREASE THE SALES TAX COLLECTIONS DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 64TH IN THE STATE NOW, AND THAT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
AND IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN INCREASE THE SALES TAX COLLECTIONS DOWNTOWN, IT WOULD BE WORTH IT FOR ALL OF THIS.
WELL, THERE'S BIGGER PICTURE, YOU KNOW, OTHER PICTURE TOO.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSIDERING, UM, SOME ESSENTIAL THINGS RIGHT HERE.
AND SO THOSE ARE ALL WE NEED, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ALL ABOUT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS, THIS IS NOT CHEAP IF WE, I'VE GOT, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT AND SO I COME UP WITH SOMETHING WHICH I'M NOT HAPPY WITH, BUT
WHERE DID YOU GET I MAY BE, I MAY BE OFF.
UH, FROM LOOKING ON, UH, AND, AND IT WAS, IT CAME FROM, IT COULD BE WRONG.
IT CAME FROM AI, BUT IT WAS FROM THE COMPTROLLER'S TAX.
NO, SO YOU, SO YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, UM, SO THE WAY THE COMPTROLLER, THEY LIKE THE LAST ACTUAL, I THINK SALES TAX FIGURES WE GOT WERE JANUARY, BUT THE COMPTROLLER PUTS OUT FORECAST THAT THIS ISN'T A FORECAST.
THIS, THIS IS, THIS WAS HISTORICAL, IT WAS FROM YOU.
YOU CAN GO TO THE CON 'CAUSE OUR SALES TAX THIS YEAR ALREADY IS WAY UP.
WELL IT IS UP, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S TEXAS CITY'S HIGHER THAN US.
UH, AND TO SEE ALL THE TOURISM AND YOU SEND ME A COPY OF THAT.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN CURIOUS TO SEE IT ALL THE TOURISM.
ALL THE TOURISM THAT WE DO HERE IS NOT, IT'S NOT PAYING OFF IN SALES TAXES.
SO IN TEXAS, I I LOOKING AT OUR ACTUAL NUMBERS AND I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE THAT BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T SOUND, IT DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT TO ME EITHER.
SO 60 IF UM, I THINK IT WAS, IT COULD HAVE BEEN 46.
WELL, HOW DOES, SO I'M, I'M JUST CURIOUS.
TEXAS CITY IS, IS THAT BECAUSE WELL, THEY HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL, THEY HAVE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL, A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL.
EVERY GALLON OF EVERY GALLON OF WHATEVER THEY'RE MAKING UP THERE.
GAS DOESN'T COUNT AS SALES TAX.
AND YES, THERE IS A TAX ON THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT DOESN'T SOUND TO ME BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE BROKEN DOWN, LIKE IF YOU EVER SOLD A SALES TAX REPORT, IT'S LIKE THAT, IT DOESN'T COME DOWN BY INDUSTRY.
THE COMPTROLLER'S COMPUTER BREAKS DOWN, BREAKS DOWN A LOT.
NO, BUT THEY DO A LOT OF FORECAST.
'CAUSE AT ONE POINT I WAS FOLLOWING THAT AND I FOUND IT WAS, YEAH, THIS ISN'T FORECAST THIS, AND THAT WAS FOR, THAT WAS FOR 25.
THAT, ALRIGHT, SO ANY TAKE, I'M SORRY.
THE, THE TAKEAWAY I GOT, THE THING FOR THIS FROM THIS, UH, ITEM IS THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA PROCEED WITH TRYING TO GET THE, THE, UH, FEE FOR PHASE TWO AND HOLD THE MEETING OF THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE AND GET THE PARK BOARD THERE AT THIS MEETING, UH, TO REVIEW THAT.
AND SO WE CAN BE PREPARED TO APPROVE ALL OF THIS AT THE NEXT, UH, AT THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT MOR BOARD MEETING AND THE NEXT, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
I, I WOULD ADD CITY PHASE ONE FIRST THOUGH, OR NO? WELL THAT WOULD, WE CAN NEXT NOW.
WELL, WE CAN CAN'T IMPROVE ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHERE, SO BRINGING QUESTIONS TO CLOSE.
SO WHERE DO WE WANT, YEAH, SO THE QUESTION NOW IS WHAT, WHAT DO WE WANT TO RECOMMEND AS A, AS A REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE? YEAH.
THE, THE, THE FEE IS PROPOSED FOR PHASE ONE.
IS THAT A MOTION? AND, AND ACTUALLY THE THE WHOLE PROPOSAL.
YEAH, THE WHOLE PROPOSAL, YEAH.
AND I'LL SECOND THAT IF THAT'S A MOTION.
ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, JEFFREY? ANY, NO, I, I GUESS THE, THE THOUGHT I'VE, I'VE GOT BASED UPON THAT MOTION IS SO, UM, WE'LL GET BACK A FEE AT A LATER DATE OF, OF, OF, FOR PHASE TWO.
WE'LL CIRCULATE THAT TO, TO THE CITY AND THE PARKS BOARD AND THEN RECONVENE ON THAT AT A LATER DATE, ASIDE FROM PHASE ONE Y.
THAT'S WHAT, AND, AND THE, AND THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE IT DONE IN TIME FOR THE MAY MEETING.
AND I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK MAYBE WE CAN DO THIS INTERNALLY AS IS TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST A NON-PUBLIC
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MEETING OF, OF THE, AS RICHARD SAID, OF THE LEADERSHIP.AND LET'S SIT EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE ON WHERE WE ARE SO THAT WE CAN COORDINATE WITH EVERYBODY.
I'LL SET THAT UP TODAY WITH, THAT'D BE GREAT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? RAISE YOUR HAND.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN, A LOT OF IT'S BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN BUSY.
NO, I THINK, AND I THINK THAT THE, THE THING FOR ME IS THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
I MEAN, YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT ISSUES, GALVESTON AND, AND TRYING TO, TRYING TO BUILD AROUND MOBILITY AND GETTING PEOPLE AROUND.
THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER.
NOT JUST AT THE PORT SIDE, BUT UP INTO THE CITY FOR DOWNTOWN, FOR THE RESIDENTS AND STUFF.
I THINK IT'S GONNA GIVE THE PORT A WHOLE LOT MORE CREDIBILITY WITH THE, WITH THE RESIDENTS HERE, BECAUSE WE'RE LISTENING TO THEM AND WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO THEM.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE ANALYZING THE IMPACT OF THE CRUISE INDUSTRY ON THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
I WANTED TO COMMEND JEFF WITH WORKING WITH THE CITY AS WELL, BECAUSE TO HAVE EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT STARTS.
NO, AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE THERE.
I WILL SAY THEY WERE IN DEVELOPING THE FEE FOR PHASE ONE.
THEY WEREN'T, I, I DIDN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CORRESPOND WITH THEM VERY MUCH ON THAT, BUT THAT WAS MORE, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT PHASE TWO IS THE ONE THAT WE'RE GONNA CORRESPOND, BUT THEY, NO, I MEAN, ROB WAS GREAT TO WORK WITH AT THE CITY WITH THE, THE REVIEW COMMITTEE.
AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD BEING THE ACCOUNTANT IS, UH, THE FUNDING OF IT ALL.
SO WE ALL NEED TO BE REALIZING THERE'S A COST HERE THAT HOPEFULLY SPREADING OUT AMONGST THE KEY STAKEHOLDERS.
[C.2. Update on Pier 19 ]
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO C TWO, UPDATE ON PIER 19.THAT SPREAD OR I'LL LET YOU GO AND I CAN FILL IN IF THERE'S ANYTHING NEEDED.
SO WE MET ON THE 21ST RIGHT HERE WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AND I THINK BRETT AND ROGER AND JEFF.
AND, UH, THE ONLY STAKEHOLDER THAT WASN'T HERE WAS S SAMSON'S, I THINK, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THE, THE, AND THEN STAS AND HIS STAFF WERE ON VIDEO.
SO THE, THE WHOLE POINT OF THE MEETING AND, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR, LAST TIME STASS WAS DOWN HERE, THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOWN HERE IN 19 WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AND SURVEYING THINGS AND GETTING ALL THEIR DATA.
SO THEY WENT BACK AND CRUNCHED ALL THAT DATA.
AND THE POINT OF THE MEETING ON THE 21ST WAS TO, UH, TO VERIFY THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND EXISTING OPERATIONS.
AND SO THEY, THEY HAD SOME BID, SOME GRAPHICS THAT THEY PUT UP THERE THAT DESCRIBED EVERYTHING AND WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY FOUND AND WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE OPERATIONS AND VERIFIED THAT WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS AT THAT MEETING.
AND, UH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE MEETING BEFORE THEY BEGAN DESIGN.
THEY JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY ESTABLISHED ALL THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND, AND THE STAKEHOLDERS ALL AGREED TO.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING BACK NOW AND FOR THE DESIGN PART, AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BACK AGAIN, BUT SOMETIME BETWEEN MAY 19TH AND 21ST, IS THAT RIGHT? UH, YES.
IT WAS 19TH, 21ST OR 21ST, 23RD, ONE OF THOSE.
BUT I DID SEND OUT, I HEARD FROM GALS TO PARTY BOATS.
THEY GAVE ME A THUMBS UP FOR ANY OF THOSE DAYS.
I JUST REACHED OUT TO KATIE'S.
SO WE'LL GET IT SET UP FOR THAT TIME.
AND STAA DON'T ACTUALLY BE HERE, CORRECT? RIGHT.
ONE OF THE, AGAIN, THE, UH, THING THAT WAS, UH, CAME UP AS IMPORTANT AS PARKING RIGHT ON SITE.
AND STAA THREW OUT THE IDEA OF MAYBE HAVING A, A MULTIPURPOSE PARKING LOT BECAUSE IT'S WHEN, WHEN THEY'RE BUSY, IT, IT CANNOT HANDLE THE CAPACITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET THERE.
BUT WHEN IT'S NOT, IT'S EMPTY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE DUAL PURPOSE, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING SOME KIND OF, UH, AMENITIES, A PLACE FOR EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO THE OTHER THING WAS, THAT WAS OF INTEREST, OF GREAT INTEREST TO THEM WAS THE, UH, CE SMITH PARKING LOT, FOUR 20 SPACE PARKING LOT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY INTERESTED IN WHEN THAT'S ALL GONNA HAPPEN.
SO THAT, THAT, ANYTHING ELSE, BRENT? UH, THAT IS IT.
THROUGH THE 21ST OF RIGHT NOW, I IDEA OF THE OFFICER PARTY VOTES AND KENNY SU ONBOARD FOR ANY OF THOSE DAYS, UH, BEFORE FOUR O'CLOCK.
THAT'LL BE KINDA LIKE A WORKSHOP, LIKE THE FIRST MEETING, I GUESS, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE HERE.
THEY HAVE A GREAT BIG PIECE OF THE PAPER.
I THINK A PRELIMINARY KIND OF DESIGN THAT THEY CAN DISCUSS.
ANY QUESTIONS? ROGER? UM, I DUNNO IF, IF THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME, BUT I'D LIKE TO ALSO EXPAND THIS AREA BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIMITATIONS TO PIER 19 AND IF THE WORST CASE BASIS IS, THEN WE REALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN BEAUTIFY THAT AREA, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THIS EXPERTISE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PIER 16.
WHETHER USS TEXAS IS GOING IN, YOU KNOW, AS OUR, AS OUR MASTER PLAN HAS TALKED ABOUT AND SHOWN, UH, REALLY WELL, UH, A NEW RENDERING OF THAT AREA, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD
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NOT LIMIT US TO THIS SMALL AREA DOWN THERE AND TO EXPAND THIS AND GET SOME IDEAS FROM THEM ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY, UM, WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME LAND AND THINGS THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY, UM, RIGHT, RIGHT.AND THAT, THAT, YEAH, THAT HAIR, THAT WHOLE AREA IN THERE.
IF YOU, IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT OUR MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A REALLY COOL CONCEPT THERE.
AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA END UP BEING THERE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE.
WE, WE HAVE THEM, WE HAVE THEIR ATTENTION AND I THINK WE SHOULD KIND OF DIRECT THEM TO SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S THIS, BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS? MM-HMM
AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT 16, WE STILL MAKE THAT, I MEAN, NOT 16, 19, WE STILL MAKE THAT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S BETTER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.
AND, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN MY MIND IS THE CONNECTIVITY.
OBVIOUSLY TO, AND THIS IS, THIS HAS ALL HAPPENED SINCE WE GOT WITH STAS, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
I MEAN THE, THE PLAN CAME OUT MM-HMM
SO I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THAT AREA THERE ALSO IN TERMS OF WHAT COULD WE DO BECAUSE AS THIS THING MOVES DOWN THE ROAD, I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE PROBABLY SOME DEVELOPMENT IN THERE.
AND, UH, SO WE SHOULD WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY HERE AGAIN TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AREA AND, AND MAKE, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE A DESTINATION.
YOU THINK WE OUGHT JUST EXPAND STAN'S SCOPE AT SOME POINT HERE? WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, I, HERE AGAIN, I WANNA BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF THE MONEY.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE UH, I THINK IT WAS 70 OR 80,000 TOTAL.
UM, AND, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE SPEND THE MONEY IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
AND IF WE, IF WE DON'T GET IT THERE, IF WE DON'T GET IT ON PIER 19, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH, THEY DO THIS STUFF, RIGHT.
WELL, I'M PRETTY SURE WE'LL GET SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO PIER 19 IN SOME FORM OR ANOTHER.
BUT IT DOES MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO, TO BEGIN LOOKING AT THAT PART OF IT RIGHT NOW, THAT ANCHOR PART, THAT OTHER ANCHOR PART RIGHT THERE BY THE BATTLESHIP.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A DESTINATION WHERE, YOU KNOW, PIER 19 IS MORE LIKELY GONNA BE A TRANSITIONAL, WELL, THEY'RE KIND OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE PIER, PIER 19 KIND OF REPRESENTS THE EDGE OF THE WATER.
AND THIS OTHER ONE IS MORE LIKE A SUPPORT FOR THE BATTLESHIP AND A KIND OF AN ANCHOR ANCHOR DESTINATION BECAUSE THEY'RE, I MEAN THEY'RE, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN ANYTHING ROGER, BUT THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR SHORE FACILITIES ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
SO WHAT, HOW THAT AREA, YOU KNOW, AND YOU PROBABLY GOT GO SOME PARKING STATE.
BUT, BUT THAT'S, YOU GOTTA GIVE UP SOME PARKING FOR THAT.
BUT THIS IS WHERE THE CONCEPT OF A CIRCULATOR BECOMES SO KEY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE MOVING PEOPLE WITH FREE TRANSIT TO GET TO THE AREAS THAT EASES UP THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HAS TO BE USED FOR PHYSICALLY WALKING.
AND LET'S FACE IT, LIKE PEOPLE WERE SO EXCITED WHEN WE MADE THE PARKING CODE DOWNTOWN, ALL ONE NUMBER.
BECAUSE WHEN IT'S 110 AND YOU'RE SHOPPING AT TINA'S AND THEN YOU WANT TO GO TO KIMMY'S, YOU'RE NOT WALKING, YOU'RE DRIVING.
AND BEFORE YOU HAD TO PAY TWICE.
AND THAT CIRCULATOR GETS YOU OUT OF THE SUN, GIVES YOU THAT ABILITY TO GET INTO AN AIR CONDITIONED VEHICLE.
YOU GO TO, YOU GO SEE THE SHIP, AND THEN YOU GET DROPPED OFF ON THE STRAND AND YOU HAVE A MEAL.
AND YOU KNOW, SO THAT HAS TO BE FACTORED IN BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.
WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL.
OTHER CITIES ARE ALREADY DOING, AND, AND TO ME THE KEY THERE IS ONLY GOING TO YOUR CAR ONE TIME.
THAT'S THE KEY IS, IS PUTTING THE CAR SOMEWHERE AND THEN THEN AMEN.
I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF ROGER KIND OF, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT WITH STOSS.
WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE TIME OR YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT TO, SO WHO'S PAYING FOR THAT? THAT IS THE, IT'S, I GUESS THE MONEY'S FROM BETTER PARKS FOR GALVESTON.
UM, AND THEN, WHICH IS A PRIVATE DONOR TOO.
IT WAS A PRIVATE DONOR AND BETTER PARTS FOR GALVESTON.
FUNDING THE THOUSAND I THOUGHT IT WAS.
UM, BUT I THINK 'CAUSE THAT AREA IS, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS GONNA, THE BATTLESHIP OF TEXAS IS GONNA HAVE TO DO, THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THERE.
SO HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT AREA KIND OF A NICE PLACE TO, AND THAT'S GONNA BE THE MAIN EAST ANCHOR.
IS THIS WHOLE CONNECTIVITY PIECE.
YOU KNOW, THE, I GUESS THE CRU TERMINAL 25 IS THE WEST ANCHOR FROM HERE, AND THEN THE EAST ANCHOR'S GONNA BE RIGHT HERE, HERE IN THAT AREA.
SO I I YOU, I DON'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE IT ON HERE TO TAKE A VOTE OR ANYTHING, BUT IT, I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN, CERTAINLY I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
ROGER, THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION.
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YEAH, NO, I THINK, I THINK WHILE WE YEAH, WHILE THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH THIS, KEEP THAT TOP OF MIND AND THOSE GUYS ARE GOOD.I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THAT'S WHAT THEY DO IS THEY'RE LISTENERS.
THAT GIVES YOU MORE OPTIONS AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH 19 AS WELL.
WELL IN 19, I MEAN, YEAH, IT'S JUST, THAT'S 19 IS ONE PIECE THAT WE THOUGHT OKAY.
WAS KIND OF A PILOT TO LOOK AT, BUT REALLY THE WHOLE GOAL WAS TO LOOK AT ALL THE WAY DOWN, REALLY TOWARDS 10.
TO BE HOW WE GET THERE, HOW WE GET THERE, AND GET PEOPLE THINGS TO DO ALONG THE WAY.
I THINK WE SHOULD DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY KEEP THAT TO INCLUDE THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE ON PIER 19? NOT FOR ME.
[D. COMMENTS FROM THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE ]
I GUESS.NEXT, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MADE ALREADY? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL, UH, PEOPLE FOR JOINING US.
BUT, UH, I THINK THIS IS A, A VERY KEY COMMITTEE TO HAVE IN THE CITY OF GALVESTON.
UH, 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S ALREADY PROVEN THAT IT'S WORKING AND DOING SOME GOOD THINGS.
AND I WANT TO WISH THE BEST OF LUCK TO BOTH THE CANDIDATES HERE AT THE TABLE ALL FOR THE WEEKEND AS WELL.
SO, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, BOTH OF YOU.
THE PEOPLE MIGHT, BUT THE GOOD IDEAS DON'T.
SO HAVE YOU HEARD SOME KIND OF TEDDY PLANS
[E. SET DATE OF NEXT COMMITTEE MEEETING, TIME, AND LOCATION ]
I GUESS DATE AND TIME OF THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING.I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE TRY THE WEEK BEFORE.
I GUESS WE'VE GOT A, WE HAVE A MAY, APRIL WORSHIPS BOARD MEETING NEXT WEEK, BUT THE, THE ACTUAL MAY WORSHIP BOARD MEETING AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
TRY TO GET A MEETING ANGIE, THAT WEEK, MAYBE THAT WEEK BEFORE.
AND I KNOW JEFFREY WILL HAVE SOME UPDATED NUMBERS.
WHAT'S THAT DATE AGAIN? OUR BOARD MEETING'S ON THE 26TH AND OURS IS ON THE 28TH.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE 18TH THROUGH THE 20.
SOMEWHERE, SOMEWHERE THERE TO GET THIS GROUP BACK TOGETHER.
AND I MEAN, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR MISSING THE LAST ONE, BUT I ACTUALLY GOT STUCK AT A MEETING WITH T AND THE TPC WHERE ALL THE MONEY COMES FROM.
SO THAT'S A GOOD ONE NOT TO BE HERE FOR.
SO WITH THAT I WILL DECLARE US ADJOURNED AT 1102.