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JOHN'S READY.[A. CALL TO ORDER]
ALRIGHT, BILLY, KICK US OFF.THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE MEETING.
THANK EVERYBODY FOR ATTENDING, UH, TO OUR, UH, CURRENT MEMBERS.
AND WE GOT A NEW MEMBER, MICHAEL LIEBER.
AND SO DISTINGUISHED GUEST HERE, JOHN AND SHEILA.
GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR A ROLL CALL ENDING.
COMMITTEE MEMBER RICHARD MOORE.
COMMITTEE MEMBER SHARON LEWIS? YES.
AND OUR NEW COMMITTEE MEMBER MICHAEL HERE.
AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR TRUSTEE, SHEILA
SO I DECLARE WE HAVE A QUORUM.
ARE THERE ANY CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT ANYBODY NEEDS OR WANTS TO DECLARE? SO HEARING NONE MOVE ON TO ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
ANGIE, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED, RECEIVED ANY, SO I'M GONNA MOVE ON TO BUSINESS ITEMS. UH, FIRST ONE
[C.1 Discuss and Consider Approval of the Real Estate Committer Notes/Minutes from the Real Estate Committee Meeting 4-28-26]
C ONE IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE NOTES MINUTES FROM THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE MEETING ON UH, APRIL 28TH, 2026.I GUESS WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
UM, I'LL SEE TWO UPDATE ON PAGE 19.
IT SAYS, UH, BROWN STATED THAT THERE WAS A MEETING HELD ON 20 WORTH WAS ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND THE ONLY STAKEHOLDER PRESENT WAS SAMSONS.
I THINK IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE ONLY STAKEHOLDER ARE NOT PRESENT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BE I GUESS, YOU KNOW, MICHAEL KIND OF, KIND OF CATCH UP ON THE, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WHAT WE'VE WENT UP TO THERE.
ANY OTHER APPROVE, TAKE A VOTE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ALREADY STARTING TO DO A REVAMP.
SO WITH THAT, AS WILLIE NOTED, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES WITH THE CORRECTION.
[C.2 Mobility Update]
C TWO IS A MOTILITY UPDATE AND I THINK, YEAH, JUST WHAT I WANTED TO KIND OF ACCOMPLISH THERE WAS TO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT, UM, TWO PIECES TO THIS, TWO PHASES.AND I KNOW PART OF IT IS, UH, FOR MICHAEL, A LITTLE BIT OF, OF ED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF UPDATING ON KIND OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN ON OUR JOURNEY ON THIS.
UH, SO THAT'S PART OF IT FOR THE, UH, AND, AND FOR MICHAEL AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO, WHO HAVE SLEPT SINCE THE LAST MEETING, UH, GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE ON PHASE ONE.
AND THEN I THINK PART OF WHAT WE ARE, AND WE WILL GET INTO IN THE NEXT BUSINESS ITEM IS TO TALK ABOUT PHASE TWO AND SOME OF THE DYNAMICS AROUND THE SCOPE OF PHASE TWO AND YOU KNOW, HOW IT'S FUNDED.
BUT WITH THAT, I GOT, WE'VE GOT JEFF THOMAS, WE'VE GOT, I THINK I SAW ROB IN THERE.
SO YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD WITH ROGER AND OTHERS.
SO COME, COME ENLIGHTEN US ON WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH THE MOBILITY STUDY.
I THINK, UH, ONE THING WE HAVE IS A PRESENTATION JUST TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE STUFF AND, AND A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT PIECES.
GOOD, GOOD MORNING TO ALL Y'ALL.
SO, SO THIS IS JUST, I MEAN, KIND OF OVERVIEW, BACKGROUND INFORMATION, NOTHING, UM, ENTIRELY NOVEL ON THIS AND ALL.
AS I WALK THROUGH IT, I'LL ALSO KIND OF GIVE YOU A, AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE ON THE, THE WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED DATE.
UM, SO, SO LOOKING AT KIND OF ALL THE MOBILITY, UM, ITEMS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
AND, AND THIS ONE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS NECESSARILY, UH, VOTED ON OR TAKEN PART OF, BUT THIS WAS JUST A, A SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, PIECE OF, UH, DATA THAT, THAT WAS COMPLETED BY, UH, ROYAL CARIBBEAN'S CONSULTANT TO, TO MODEL, UH, REALLY WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OF A FIT CREW SOMEONE WOULD BE.
UM, ON, UH, THE, THE ROADWAYS.
THIS WAS DONE UTILIZING TRAFFIC COUNTS AT FOUR INTERSECTIONS FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, COMPARISON FOR, FOR THE NEXT SLIDE.
UM, AND, AND WHAT THIS ANALYSIS HAD FOUND WAS BASICALLY THAT THERE WAS SOME, UH, UH, MITIGATION THAT WAS NEEDED AT, AT 14TH STREET HARBORSIDE TO KEEP, UH, THE, UH, THE, THE LEVEL OF SERVICES AT A A C OR BETTER ALONG HARBORSIDE DRIVE.
UM, AND, AND SO, UH, THE, THE IMAGE THERE IS KIND OF SHOWING THOSE COUPLE OF MITIGATION ITEMS, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SIGNAL EXTENDED LEFT TURN LANE CAPACITY AND KIND OF FURTHER CHANNELIZATION OF, OF THE RIGHT BOUND EAST OR WEST WESTBOUND CHANNELIZED RIGHT TURN LANE.
THE NEXT, UH, ITEM IS, UH, ITEM THAT THIS COMMITTEE TO TAKE PART IN, UH, EARLIER THIS YEAR ON APPROVING OR RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL, UH, THE, THE, UH, FIRST PHASE OF NURSING MOBILITY STUDY, UH, THE STUDY WAS $380,000.
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IN COMPARISON TO THE IMPACT ANALYSIS DONE BY UH, GFT, THIS FUND IS LOOKING AT 40 PLUS INTERSECTIONS ACROSS THE AREA.UM, IT'S ALSO DOING, UH, A COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY, UH, STUDY OF, OF THE ROADWAYS AND IT'LL BE LOOKING AT PEDESTRIAN VEHICLE DATA WITHIN THE, THE STUDY AREA.
AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY EXPANDED IT TO SECONDARY STUDY AREAS.
SO THEY'RE TAKING, UM, UH, DATA FROM EVEN OUTSIDE THE, THE FIGURE THAT'S SHOWN ON HERE.
BUT THIS IS THE PRIMARY STUDY THAT HAS SHOWN, UM, TAKING THAT ALONG WITH PROJECTED GROWTH RATES ON THE MAJOR ROADWAYS.
UM, AND THEN REALLY LOOKING, YOU KNOW, THE, ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE FOUR, UH, THE FOUR, UH, LOCATIONS DATA WAS TAKEN IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AND THE 40, AND THIS IS THAT THIS WILL REALLY KIND OF SHOW TRAFFIC PATTERNS.
THE OTHER ONE WAS SHOWING TRAFFIC VOLUMES, KIND OF LIKE AT A GATE.
UH, AND, AND SPECIFICALLY AT, AT UH, UH, 14TH STREET AND HARBORSIDE.
AND THEN KIND OF MODELING THAT TRAFFIC VOLUME ALONG THE MAJOR CORRIDORS.
THIS ONE'S GOING TO BE TAKING A LOOK AT WHERE ARE PEOPLE TURNING, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF GET WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND, AND DEVELOPING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC BEHAVIOR SO THAT WE CAN THEN LOOK AT WHAT ARE WAYS OUT OF PHASE ONE THAT'S GONNA OFFER US, UH, UH, KIND OF WAYS THAT WE CAN MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE BEHAVIORS THAT, THAT WE'RE SEEING, UH, OCCUR, UH, IN THE PROJECT AREA.
SO JEFFREY, OUR STATUS ON THIS IS YES, THE, THE STATUS.
SO I HAD A CALL WITH THEM ACTUALLY EARLIER THIS WEEK.
UM, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE COMING OUT TO DO, YOU KNOW, WE WERE PLANNING ON DOING THIS, UH, MUCH EARLIER IN THE SUMMER, BUT THE, THE, THE HARBORSIDE DRIVEWAY HAS REALLY BEEN, UM, IMPEDING US.
THE, THAT'S THE BIG AND THE 40 PLUS INTERSECTIONS.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO COLLECT THAT DATA BECAUSE WE REALLY WANT TO KIND OF GET THE BASELINE, KIND OF LIKE I SAID, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE WHERE PEOPLE ARE TURNING.
AND SO THE CONSTRUCTION THAT'S UP ON THE HARBOR SIDE IS REALLY MODIFIED WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING JUST BECAUSE OF ITS NATURE IN ITSELF.
SO, SO RIGHT NOW THE HARBOR HARBORSIDE DRIVE, UH, TRAFFIC OR CONSTRUCTION'S SUPPOSED TO WRAP UP IN LATE OCTOBER, EARLY NOVEMBER.
SO FOR THIS STUDY, THEY'RE PLANNING ON COMING OUT IN MID-SEPTEMBER TO DO A SITE VISIT, WHICH THEY'RE GONNA LOOK JUST GENERALLY AT, UH, TRAFFIC IN THE AREA, BUT THEN ACTUALLY COLLECTING ACCOUNTS, UH, NOVEMBER 20, UH, 21ST THROUGH 23RD, WHICH IS THAT WEEKEND RIGHT BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
UM, AND SO WE'LL ACTUALLY HAVE HIGHER KIND OF, UH, CRUISE RELATED TRAFFIC IN THAT TIME PERIOD AS WELL.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE WE WOULD'VE PROBABLY PRETTY MUCH DONE WITH THIS, RIGHT? YEAH, WE HADN'T HAD, BUT IT JUST, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.
DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO TRY TO DO COUNTS WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S BEEN ON HARBOR SIDE WITH THE BIG, EVERYBODY ASK YOU WHY DO THEY DIGGING IN THESE BIG HOLES IN THE MIDDLE OF IT? 'CAUSE THE BASE IS ERODED 'CAUSE IT'S A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA.
BUT YEAH, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO THIS, YOU KNOW, SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY AND DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING A REAL LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC PATTERN.
SO THAT'S BEEN, BUT WE PROBABLY SEVERAL MONTHS DELAY AND US TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS DONE.
BUT YEAH, I THINK THE ORIGINAL FINAL DELIVERABLE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.
BUT THAT'S, YOU CAN'T COLLECT THE DATA.
YOU REALLY CAN'T DO TOO MUCH OTHER THAN BUILD YOUR MODEL.
SO WHAT'S THE DELIVERABLE DATE NOW? RIGHT NOW ON THIS, IT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S GONNA BE FIRST QUARTER OF, OF NEXT YEAR FOR, UH, FEBRUARY FOR, FOR, FOR THE INITIALS AND, AND EVERYTHING WRAPPED UP PROBABLY END FEBRUARY.
UM, AND THEN JUST FOR, FOR REFERENCE AND, AND WE'VE HAD KIND OF A SHEET ON OUR, UH, REPORT DIRECTORS REPORT THAT'S, UH, SHOWN TO THE BOARD EVERY MONTH.
BUT THIS IS JUST GOING THROUGH A COUPLE OF OTHER ITEMS THAT, THAT ARE JUST SUPPLEMENTAL TO, TO THE AREA.
BUT, UM, THE COURT HAD COMPLETED A, A SAFE STREETS FOR ALL STUDY AND PRODUCED A COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY ACTION PLAN FOR HARBORSIDE DRIVE BETWEEN 14TH STREET AND 51ST STREET.
UM, WE HAD THEN, UH, TAKEN THAT, UH, AND APPLIED FOR SAFE STREETS FOR ALL MONEY.
UH, WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN THAT ARRANGEMENT, BUT WE ALSO, UH, APPLIED FOR SOME TECH STOCK CATEGORY NINE FUNDING FOR PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES.
AND WE DID RECEIVE $2.8 MILLION.
SO WE'RE IN KIND OF THE PROJECT INITIATION, UH, PHASE OF THAT.
UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE LOOKING AT IMPROVING SOME OF THOSE, UH, SAFETY, UH, ITEMS THAT WERE RAISED IN THE SAFE STREETS FOR ALL STUDY.
UM, PRIMARILY LOOKING AT SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS ALONG HARBORSIDE DRIVE 25TH STREET, UM, UH, THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO THE EAST AND, AND EVEN EXTENDING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WEST OF 25TH STREET.
UM, THE, THE PORT RECEIVED A SEAPORT CONNECTIVITY GRANT, UH, FOR CREW WAY FINDING SIGNAGE.
UH, WE JUST KICKED THIS PROJECT OFF, UH, THIS WEEK.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE LOOKING AT PUTTING SOME DYNAMIC SIGNS
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ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO ALLOW, UH, GUESTS TO KIND OF WAY FIND BASED UPON WHAT PARTICULAR VESSEL IS AT A TERMINAL THAT DAY.UM, AND THAT'S REALLY THE, IT CHANGES DAY BY DAY WHAT, WHERE VESSELS ARE.
AND SO THIS, THIS IS, UH, THE GRANT IS LOOKING AT TRYING TO BE ABLE TO BETTER COMMUNICATE WHERE THEY NEED TO TURN OFF OF HARBORSIDE DRIVE TO MAKE IT TO THEIR PARTICULAR VESSEL THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ON THAT DAY.
PART OF IT IS WE, PEOPLE, YOU NEED TO GO TO TERMINAL 25 PEOPLE.
I I JUST WANT TO GO TO THE JUBILEE.
WHERE, WHERE'S THAT? SO TRYING TO REALLY MAKE IT SPECIFIC.
AND I THINK, I THINK THE OTHER THING I'D SAY IS THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS IS REALLY IN, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE REDUCE CONGESTION? HOW DO WE MOVE PEOPLE FASTER? AND IF SOMEBODY MAKES A WRONG TERM, SOMEBODY GETS LOST, THAT JUST CREATES ADDITIONAL, THAT'S A DOUBLE COUNT OF TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THERE.
SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT MORE SEAMLESS AND GET PEOPLE DIRECTLY, MOST DIRECTLY TO THEIR DESTINATIONS IS ALL TO THE GOOD WILL JEFF.
UM, WHERE DOES WAYS GET THE INPUT? DO WE SEND THEM INFORMATION? DO THEY SOLICIT IT? UH, IF, IF THERE'S A, A SHIP HAS TO GO FROM A DIFFERENT TERMINAL, YOU KNOW, TWO DAYS OUT OR SOMETHING, OR A DAY OUT? YEAH.
SO RIGHT NOW WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THE, THE CRUISE LINES SEND DIRECTIONS DIRECTLY TO THEIR PASSENGERS ON WHERE THE, THE CRUISE SHIP WILL BE DOCKED.
AND IT'S USUALLY, IT'S GONNA BE AT PIER 25 OR PIER 28, UM, JULIO'S TEAM.
IN ADDITION TO THAT COMMUNICATION FROM THE CRUISE LINE, IF THERE'S EVER ANYTHING SPECIAL HAPPENING ON A WEEKEND, WE CAN COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH THE CUSTOMERS THAT HAVE RESERVED BOOKING WITH US.
'CAUSE WE HAVE THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION.
UM, AND SO JULIO'S TEAM ALSO DOES THAT AS WELL.
COUPLE QUESTIONS, WHICH ONE OF THESE STUDIES ADDRESSES WHAT WE'VE ALL BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME IS PEDESTRIAN SAFETY CROSSING FROM DOWNTOWN CROSS RIVERSIDE TO THE WATER.
SO, SO THAT IS THE SAFE STREETS FOR ALL.
THERE WAS $10 MILLION WORTH OF WORK, UM, THAT THAT, UH, WAS, WAS IDENTIFIED IN THAT STUDY.
UH, WE'VE RECEIVED ABOUT $2.8 MILLION THROUGH TECH STOCK FUNDING TO, TO BUY, TAKE THE FIRST BITE OF THAT APPLE.
OH, AND SO THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S BULLET NUMBER TWO AND THEN BULLET NUMBER FIVE AND AND ALSO TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
OH, THE TRAFFIC SEALS WERE ALSO POINTED OUT DURING THAT.
SO WE HAVE MONEY FOR THAT TOO.
YEAH, THERE'S A TRAFFIC STATION 33RD STREET THAT THEY COMMEND.
16TH 33RD AND 16TH 30, 33RD ONE.
LEMME, YEAH, LET ME GET MY HEAD ON THAT.
ON THAT, IF I REMEMBER THOUGH THAT, THAT THAT STUDY LOOKED PRIMARILY AT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AS OPPOSED TO TRAFFIC COUNTS OR PEDESTRIAN CROSSING COUNTS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
SO IT, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY A DIFFERENT, UH, ANGLE THAT IT WAS LOOKING AT.
IT WAS LOOKING AT PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE CORNERS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AS OPPOSED TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS WHERE PASSENGERS CROSS OR SHOULD CROSS.
I MEAN, ALL, ALL THESE ARE LOOKING AT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
I MEAN, NOT NOT JUST THAT SECTION, YOU KNOW, SAFE STREETS IS A, IS A STUDY OF ALL EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT SITS NOW HOW YOU PROVE THAT.
BUT, BUT ROGER, I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, I, I DON'T THINK THEY DID TRAFFIC CAMS. DID THEY? THEY DIDN'T DO VOLUMES OF PEDESTRIANS.
THEY, THEY, THAT WAS MY POINT IS THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT THE VOLUMES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
IT WAS REALLY, I MEAN, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT, THAT, THAT I REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN THAT PRESENTED IT.
BASICALLY THEIR, THE MISSION OF THE STRAIGHT, THE SAFE STREETS PROGRAM IS SO PEOPLE DON'T DIE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR RIGHT NUMBER ONE GOAL IS TO BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE ACROSS, YOU KNOW, INTERSECTION WITHOUT THEM BEING SEVERELY INJURED OR DYING.
SO THAT REALLY LOOKED, AND I, IT WAS A VERY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD CERTAINLY SEEN IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, THERE WAS A VERY EXTENSIVE STUDY OF PRETTY MUCH EVERY INTERSECTION FROM WHAT, 12TH, 14TH STREET TO YEAH.
I MEAN, THEY LOOKED AT EVERY INTERSECTION AS FAR AS HOW DO YOU IMPROVE THE, AND AGAIN, IT'S LOOKING AT, IS THERE A LANDING AREA THERE? CAN WE SAY, HOW DO WE SAFELY GET PEOPLE? SO THEY, THEY CAME UP WITH BASICALLY WHAT, 10, THOSE $10 MILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENTS.
AS ROGER SAID, WE DIDN'T GET THE MONEY FROM THE FEDS, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE 2.8 MILLION.
SO WE PRIORITIZED THE KEY INTERSECTIONS.
AND I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE, I THINK MOSTLY AT 25TH STREET, THE 25TH WAS A BIG ONE.
BUT BASICALLY ALL THAT IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT VOLUMES AND, AND MAKING THINGS BIGGER NECESSARILY.
BUT IT'S, IT'S HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE SAFELY ACROSS, YOU KNOW, MORE SAFELY ACROSS HARBORSIDE THAN WHAT IT IS NOW.
SO IT'S, IT'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AND FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO MAKE THOSE INTERSECTIONS MAKE THOSE INTERSECTIONS BETTER.
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THAT WAS JUST ON HARBORSIDE, SPECIFICALLY ON HARBORSIDE IS WHAT THE GRAND, I MEAN, CITY HAD A SAFE STREETS, YOU GUYS DID SOME SAFE STREETS STUFF TOO.I PROBABLY IN THE SAME PROCESS, BUT IT, IT'S, YEAH.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE MORE SAFELY ACROSS HARBOR DRIVE, DRIVE? HONOR, YOU MAY.
UM, COULD, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU ABOUT THAT
UM, COULD WE, WHAT, WHAT, HOW DO WE THINK WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE GAP ON THAT MONEY? I THINK WE'RE GONNA REAPPLY TO THE SAFE STREETS FOR ALL PROGRAM THIS YEAR.
IS, IS OUR, IS ONE OF THE, THE AVENUES.
UM, AND, AND HGAC AND TECH STOP, THEY HAVE OTHER CATEGORY NINE CALLS FOR PROJECTS.
THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY FUNDING SOURCES I BELIEVE WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THE MOMENT.
IF YOU DON'T SUCCEED AT FIRST.
AND THERE I SAID THERE MAY BE SOME, THE STATE HAS AT LEAST STEPPED UP ON PART OF IT.
MAYBE THEY'LL STEP UP ON ADDITIONAL PARTS THAT WE DON'T GET THE FEDERAL FUNDING.
AND THEN THE LAST TWO BULLETS ON THIS SLIDE ARE JUST, THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF KIND OF THE FOCUS AREA OF, OF, UH, THE DOWNTOWN PORT, BUT THEY'RE WESTPORT, UH, 408,000 WE RECEIVED FROM THE, THE RAYS PROGRAM.
UM, AND THAT'S LOOKING AT A MULTI-MOBILE MOBILITY STUDY.
THIS ONE'S REALLY KIND OF LOOKING AT, UH, CARGO AND TRAFFIC, UM, LOOKING AT DEEP CONFLICTING KIND OF CARGO TRAFFIC WITH HARBORSIDE TRAFFIC AND ALSO PROVIDING KIND OF SAFE ROUTES FOR BIKE AND PED ALONG KIND OF THE WESTERN AREA WHERE THIS, THIS STUDY REALLY STARTS AT 25TH STREET AND GOES ALL THE WAY TO 51ST STREET.
UM, AND LOOKING HOW, HOW RIGHT NOW THERE'S CARGO SOUTH OF HARBORSIDE AND I THINK THERE'S EVEN MORE POTENTIAL WITH THE OTHER RAILROAD PROPERTIES SOUTH OF HARBORSIDE.
AND SO CAN OVERPASS OR SOMETHING BE DEVELOPED ALONG HARBORSIDE DRIVE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR FREER MOVEMENT OF CARGO DOWN TO LIKE THE RAIL YARD ON 37TH STREET.
SO I DO APPRECIATE ALL THESE ADDITIONAL AREAS FOR ME TO GO BIKING.
WAIT FOR YOU GUYS TO GET YOU GUYS TO GET 33RD TO 41ST STREET TO GET THAT NICE ROAD ALL THE WAY FINISH THERE.
WELL, AND, AND LIKE THE, THE OTHER POINT ON THAT NOTE IS THAT WE'VE JUST SEEN A INCREASE OF THE USE OF E-BIKES AND STUFF LIKE THAT OF PEOPLE COMING TO WORK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE OTHER PIECE OF IT.
CAN WE GET THE, YOU MAY HAVE SENT IT TO US ALREADY, BUT CAN WE GET A COPY OF THAT
I MEAN, IT'S A FAIRLY THICK BUT NUMBER 20 PAGES.
YEAH, IT IS, IT IS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE LOOK.
I MEAN, JEFF, I I HATE TO GO OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OF WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I KNOW IT'S, BUT YOU MIGHT JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THOSE.
SO YEAH, SOMETHING I KNOW ABOUT IS ONE WAS TRYING TO CREATE ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE ALONG THE 25TH STREET QUARTER AS IT APPROACHES, UH, 20 OR HARBORSIDE DRIVE.
AND SO ONE OF THE PROJECTS WAS LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY TRYING TO USE SOME OF THE EXISTING MEDIAN OUT THERE TO, UH, UH, JUST CREATE A, A WIDER SHOULDER ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR THE OTHER.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, ONE OF THE, UH, THIS ALLEY WITH ALL THE, UH, PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S KIND OF RELATED TO 25TH STREET.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PARK IN THIS ALLEY AND THE PRIVATE BUSINESSES ALONG THE ALLEY AND KIND OF CREATING A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR ALONG, UH, I THINK THIS IS OLD STRAND OR THAT COMES PAST THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 29TH STREET.
UM, AND THEN, UH, ONE OF THEM WAS ACTUALLY ALSO LOOKING AT INSTALLING A SIGNAL AT 29TH STREET AS WELL.
IT WAS A STREET LIGHT, IT WAS A SIGNAL SIGNAL IN THERE.
WHICH IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THEY WERE FUNDING WITH THE, WITH THE STATE MONEY.
I DON'T BELIEVE, YOU DON'T THINK THAT I'D HAVE TO TAKE A, ANOTHER LOOK AT IT.
I THINK MOST OF THE STATE MONEY WAS REALLY LOOKING AT 25TH STREET.
UM, UH, AND, AND THIS, THIS PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR HERE.
I DON'T THINK THE, THAT THAT LIGHT WAS IN, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHY I HATED TO GO FROM MEMORY.
I KNEW I WAS GONNA MESSED IT UP, BUT YEAH.
YEAH, THOSE, BUT, AND AGAIN, I WOULD MAKE THE COMMENT KIND OF BACK TO RICHARD'S POINT ABOUT ANY OF THESE WHERE WE CAN GET PEOPLE MORE EFFICIENTLY ACROSS OR, OR LESS IMPEDIMENT.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE ISSUES ALL THE TIME AND YOU GUYS CAN TALK ABOUT IT OR PEOPLE IN THE WRONG PLACE OR STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF HARBORSIDE OR SOMEONE.
ALL OF THAT SLOWS THINGS DOWN.
SO ANYTHING, ONE, MAKE IT SAFER.
OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE CARRYING THEIR LUGGAGE DOWN RIVERSIDE IS NOT A, WE DON'T WANT TO GET, CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA GET ANYBODY HURT, BUT ANY OF THAT, THAT MAKES THE TRAFFIC FLOW MORE SMOOTHLY HELPS GET PEOPLE OFF THE STREET FOR, I MEAN, ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S INCREMENTAL, BUT ALL THAT ADDS UP IS YOU GET BETTER FLOWS OF TRAFFIC AND LESS IMPEDIMENTS.
PEOPLE WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CARS AND PEOPLE SEPARATED, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT'S TO THE GOOD AS FAR AS IMPROVING THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND REDUCING THE CONGESTION IN THE CITY.
DID THEY, IN THAT STUDY, DID THEY CONSIDER, UH, THAT THIS OVERHEAD WALKWAY AT 25TH AND SUNDAY BE OPERATIONAL ONLY ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A CHOKE POINT.
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RIGHT THERE, YOU GOT SURFACE PEDESTRIANS.
YOU GOT PEDESTRIANS TRYING TO GET UP AND OVER AND YOU'VE GOT THE DRIVEWAY WITH, WITH TRANSIT BUSES COMING AND GOING.
ALL OF US JUST JAMMED RIGHT THERE IN THAT AFFECT.
IT, IT DID, IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY MAKE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE WALKWAY, BUT IT DID CONSIDER THE WALKWAY AS BEING OBJECTION.
WE'RE DESPERATELY TRYING TO GET THAT WALKWAY.
AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION
AND, AND OUR, OUR PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FUTURE BOARDS WILL HAVE TO FINALIZE THIS, BUT MY, MY INPUT ON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KNOW WE HAVE, WE KNOW WE HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE AT 25TH STRIKE, RIGHT? IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
BUT IT'S ALSO, ONCE PEOPLE GET ACROSS THE STREET SAFELY, NOW THEY GET INTO THE INTERNAL ROAD, INTO THE INTERNAL ROADWAY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, ROGER AND THE GANG WILL TELL YOU THAT THAT'S PEOPLE TRYING TO CROSS THEIR SLOWS THAT INTERNAL TRAFFIC DOWN, WHICH BACKS TRAFFIC UP, WHICH BACKS TRAFFIC UP ON HARBORSIDE.
SO IN MY VIEW, WE, WE'VE KIND OF COMMITTED TO CLOSING, GETTING THIS WALKWAY REFURBISHED AND IN OPERATION AND THEN CLOSING THIS GATE AT 25TH STREET TO FORCE PEOPLE.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE GET PEOPLE FROM OUR GARAGE, BUT WE'VE ALSO GOT A PARKING GARAGE OVER HERE THAT PEOPLE FUNNEL ACROSS AND BASICALLY FORCING PEOPLE TO USE THAT WALKWAY.
'CAUSE THEY, THEN THEY DUMP OUT INTO A NEUTRAL AREA INSIDE THE TERMINAL.
SO MY VIEW IS THAT'S A PRETTY CRITICAL PIECE OF OVERALL THE SAFETY AND THE, THE EFFICIENCY OF THAT INTERSECTION OF 20, NOT ONLY 25TH STREET, BUT OUR INTERNAL ROAD.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL STEP OFF MY NAME SOAPBOX.
AND TO GET OFF THE SLIDE OF THE THREE POINT, THE $3 MILLION IS, UH, IT'S THE, THERE'S TWO PIECES TO THE $3 MILLION.
ONE IS A FLY OVER FROM THE I 45 CORRIDOR TO THE HARBORSIDE DRIVE CORRIDOR, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA BE STUDYING, WELL, WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON OUR BOARD MEETING NEXT WEEK TO TO, TO CONSIDER THAT.
AS WELL AS THE SECOND PIECES, ABOUT 800,000 WITHIN THAT 3 MILLION.
UH, WHICH IS LOOKING AT KIND OF PORT HALF IMPROVEMENTS BETWEEN HARBORSIDE DRIVE AND OLD PORT WHERE OUR 40TH STREET GATE IS.
THIS IS A, THIS IS PRETTY COOL.
I MEAN, THIS IS A PRETTY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY HERE TO BE ABLE TO REALLY LOOK AT HOW DO WE GET FOLKS OFF 45 ONTO HARBORSIDE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE INTERSECTIONS.
AND AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT EFFICIENCIES AND GETTING PEOPLE IN QUICKER.
SO I THINK THIS IS, THIS IS TO BE A REALLY SIGNIFICANT STEP AND REALLY SIGNIFICANT.
I JUST TESTIFIED, UH, MONDAY LAST WEEK BEFORE THE, UH, HOUSE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON, AND THIS THIS ADDRESSES IS THE RAIL PROCESS.
THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF RAIL CROSSINGS JUST IN GALVESTON, HOUSTON.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST, UH, LET 4, 4 60 6 MILLION FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO RAIL CROSSINGS.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY A HUNDRED PROJECTS THAT CAN BE DONE.
BUT THIS IS WHAT, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT BROUGHT THIS TO THE FOREFRONT IS, IS THERE'S THE RAIL CROSSINGS, HARBOR DRIVE, THIS COULD, I MEAN, WE GET THIS AND GET THE APPROACH, GET THE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING THERE.
SO OBVIOUSLY HELPS SUPPORT, BUT I THINK IT ALSO, FROM A, FROM A CITY STANDPOINT, IT IMPROVE THAT WHOLE ACCESS INTO THE CITY THERE AND PE ISLAND AND THE PELICAN ISLAND EXACTLY.
AS THAT, THAT GROWS AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JEFF? I KNOW IT IS, IT'S A LOT.
BUT IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT AND I THINK A LOT OF REALLY GOOD EFFORTS GOING ON TO IMPROVE.
AND LIKE RICHARD, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT PIECES TO IT, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU PUT ALL THOSE TOGETHER, AGAIN, ALL THOSE GO TO JUST, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY INCREMENTAL IMPROVEMENT OF GETTING PEOPLE FASTER FROM WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM INTO THE, AS OUR, AS OUR GOAL RIGHT HERE.
GET 'EM OFF HARBORSIDE, GET 'EM INTO THE PORT AND WE'RE REDUCING THAT TRAFFIC THAT BACKS UP INTO THE CITY AND PATCH THE NO FOLKS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, THE PORT IS THE ONLY ONE ON RADIO.
THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESSES THAT ARE PARKING PEOPLE THAT HAVE NO, NO REGULATIONS.
THEY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND, UH, THEY WALK PEOPLE DOWN THE STREETS HERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM FOR THIS, THESE INTERSECTIONS.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING OUT HERE ON HARBOR SIDE DRIVE THERE.
AND THEY'RE NOT, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING IN THE, IN THE PARKING SPACES.
I, I'VE HEARD, EXCUSE ME, I'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY'RE OUR CUSTOMERS.
SO WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD MAKE IT SAFE AND CONVENIENT FOR 'EM TO GET HERE.
AND I, AND I, Y'ALL KNOW, I DON'T AGREE THAT WE SHOULD SHUT THE 25TH STREET ENTRANCE INTO THE PORT AND THAT, BUT THAT WAS MY QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK IS,
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ARE WE GONNA HAVE A LOOK AT THE, UH, ROUTING WITHIN THE PORT THERE BETWEEN THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL STREET AND THE, UH, TERMINAL BUILDINGS? 'CAUSE TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE A, LIKE IT COULD BE SIMPLIFIED AND IMPROVED WOULD BE WITH RESPECT TO THE $380,000 OR ANY PHASE.SO, SO I MEAN, I KNOW, UM, OUR WAY FINDING PROJECT, WHICH JUST KICKED OFF, RIGHT, THEY DID AN EXTENSIVE SURVEY OF INSIDE THE PORT AS WELL AS OUTSIDE.
AND SO WHILE WE WERE ENVISIONING, UH, A LOT OF THESE JUST DIGITAL SIGNS SHOWING WHERE TO GO, THE, THE TEAM WAS DEFINITELY MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THINGS WE COULD IMPROVE INSIDE.
SO, SO THAT, THAT PROJECT ALONE IS ALREADY STARTED KIND OF LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE INTERNAL, UM, UH, ROUTINGS AND RIGHT.
AND WHAT JUST STATIC SIGNS WE CAN PUT INSIDE TO HELP KIND OF EASE CONGESTION AS WELL.
SO YEAH, I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES.
I MEAN THAT, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WERE HAVING DISCUSSIONS ON THE BRIDGE AND THE INTERNAL STUFF ABOUT HOW YOU, JULIO AND YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED AT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING AND HOW, HOW CAN WE BETTER IMPROVE ONCE THEY GET INTO THE PORT, THE WALKING PIECE.
AND HOW DO WE MAKE THAT BETTER? 'CAUSE AGAIN, ANY DELAYS THERE BACKS, TRAFFIC COMES, I KNOW.
WELL, IF WE GET THE OVERHEAD HIGHWAY DONE, OVERHEAD WALKWAY DONE, THEN THE PLAN IS THAT DROPS INTO AN AREA WHERE THERE'S NO, IT'S JUST PEDESTRIANS.
IT'S JUST PEDESTRIANS AND THEN, AND THE TRAFFIC KIND OF GOES LIKE THIS.
SO THE 1 28 GOES THAT WAY, 25 GOES THAT WAY.
AND THEN PEOPLE DROP INTO THE PORT.
I MEAN THERE'S NO TRAFFIC CROSSING THROUGH THERE.
YOU, WE ELIMINATE THE PEOPLE CAR INTERFACING.
YOU CAN SEE ON THAT PHOTOGRAPH UP THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE STRING OF PEOPLE WHO COST 2050 COMING FROM THAT PARKING LOT.
SO, OKAY, WE, ONE MORE THING I SHOULD NOT BRING UP TOO.
THERE IS, WE'RE NOT, NOBODY'S LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY DOWN HERE WHERE STEPHEN SMITH IS TALKING ABOUT PUTTING 500 PARKING SPACES AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO, UM, TO THAT WHOLE AREA DOWN THERE.
RIGHT? 'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE INGRESS AND EGRESS THAT THEY'RE PLANNING FOR THOSE PARKING, THE BACKUP IS GONNA BE A HOMICIDE DRIVER AND LET YOU KNOW THEY HAVE NO, IS WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY KIND OF SYSTEMS LIKE WE HAVE, WHICH ARE LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION.
SO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT MOVING 500 PEOPLE INTO THAT SECTION THERE, YOU KNOW, SO ALL THE, THE INGRESS, ANY EGRESS IS RIGHT ON SIDE ON THE SIDE, THEY'RE ON THE SIDES.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S SIX CARS DEEP AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.
YOU ONLY GOT SOMEBODY QUEUING.
SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? 20 20TH STARTS TURNING IN THERE.
AND THEN THE REST OF THAT'S SOMETHING, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I KNOW WE ALL OUR PROPERTIES, THERE'S QUEUING AREAS AND ALL THAT, AND YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE LICENSE PLATE READER WHERE IT GOES, IT GOES VERY FAST TO GET PEOPLE IN.
IT MIGHT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THAT WHERE, WHERE CARS ARE BACKED UP ALL THE WAY DOWN MAR SIDE.
SO THAT IS, THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IS WHAT'S THAT GONNA LOOK LIKE? WHAT'S THAT GONNA DO? THAT'S A NEW DYNAMIC IN THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN BACKED UP BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIGHT THERE.
THERE'S LIGHT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PEDESTRIANS, YOU KNOW, SO, AND ALL THE WHOLE BLOCK IS BACK UP RIGHT THERE.
BEYOND THE PEDESTRIANS 2030 UP, WE, WE, WE, OF COURSE WE HAVE TRAFFIC PROBLEMS OF COURSE.
AND WE'RE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH THEM.
SO JUST, THEY'RE TRYING, EVERYBODY'S GOT ISSUES.
THE ONLY THING I KNOW IS THAT THEY'RE DOING BILL PARKING.
THEY'RE SAYING THAT DONE BY YEAR END IN SURFACE PARKING.
THAT'S WHAT WE, WE, WE'VE HEARD, BUT WE HAVE NO, WE HAVE NO WAY OF VERIFYING THAT.
UM, HADN'T THEY APPROACHED US ABOUT RUNNING THAT LOT ONCE UPON A TIME THEY APPROACHED US ABOUT MANAGEMENT.
AND THEY, THEY GAVE US TO ANOTHER PARTY TO MANAGE.
WELL, COULD, SHOULDN'T WE HAVE THAT INCORPORATED INTO THE STUDY? IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY, I MEAN, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET COUNTS, BUT I GUESS I JUST, YOU, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT, I KNOW HOW YOU MIGHT, I MEAN, IT'S A CONSIDERATION.
UH, YOU'D HAVE TO, IT'S SOMETHING TO BE AWARE.
I MEAN, THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS THAT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULDN'T SOMEBODY ASK THEM TO PAY FOR THOSE STUDIES? WELL, I MEAN, IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR WHAT I UNDERSTAND BY THE CITY, UM, FOR, UH, IT'S BEEN REZONED, I THINK.
AND THEN NOW, NOW IS REONE LOOKING
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FOR PARKING IN THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, NOBODY HAS QUESTIONED THAT.AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT WHOLE AREA THERE.
NOT TO MENTION THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK THERE, ARE GOING TO WALK OVER, UM, OUR INTERNAL ROAD MM-HMM
AND THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THEY GONNA ACCESS THE TERMINALS FROM THERE? 'CAUSE I MEAN, THE, THE, THE, THE PLAN IS, AND I HAVE TALKED TO DOUG ROGERS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OVER THERE, AND HE'S THE ONE THAT TOLD ME THAT, UM, THAT THEY INTENDED TO HAVE THE PROPERTY OPEN BY THE END OF THE YEAR, NO SHUTTLE.
SO NO, I, THERE WOULD BE NO SHUTTLES THERE.
SO MY, THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS I HAVE IS, IS HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, UH, PREVENT PROBLEMS WHEN THAT PARKING LOT IS FULL AND ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE CROSSING THE INTERNAL ROAD NETWORK RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, AND WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CLOSING THE ROAD DURING, DURING THE CRUISE TIMES, AND WE HAVE HEAVY TRAFFIC IN THERE.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THEN YOU'VE GOT AN ISOLATED, UH, AREA THERE WHERE THE BOATS ARE, THE FLEETS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF IN THERE IS.
I MEAN, PEOPLE WALKING ACROSS THAT ROAD THERE, UM, COULD BE A PROBLEM.
DO WE KNOW, ARE THEY INTENDING TO USE MOST OF THAT FOR CRUISE PARKING OR SHORT TERM PARKING? OR BOTH? OR I ASSUME BOTH.
I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING BOTH NOW.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY'VE LEASED A PORTION OF IT THERE, I THINK THE CASE.
BUT THE REST OF MY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE REST OF IT, IT'S, IS THAT IT WOULD BE, THEY INTEND TO USE PROOF FARM.
IT'S, WELL, I GUESS, I GUESS THE QUESTION, RICHARD, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA DEAL WITH IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, RIGHT? AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MANUALLY MANAGE IT AFTER THE FACT, OR, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE CAN DO IN STUDY.
LET ME, LET ME POINT OUT THAT IT, IT IS, IT IS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR OVERFLOW, UH, DOWNTOWN PARKING.
I ASSUME THAT'S WHAT I ASSUME.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE COUNTING ON TOO.
I MEAN, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT WANT TO BE PART, THAT MIGHT WANT TO GO DOWNTOWN.
LET'S, YOU KNOW, THE CITY SHOULD, SHOULD LOOK AT WHEN THEY'RE DOING THEIR STREET SCAPE, IT'S GONNA CALL IT STREET SCAPE PROJECT.
BUT THE BIG THING WE HAVE MONEY FOR NOW IS SHOULD CONSIDER MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A WAY FOR A PEDESTRIAN TO GET FROM THE HARDEST STRAND STREET UNDERCOVER, YOU KNOW, DOWN THERE AS YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THEY PUT COVERS ON 23RD STREET.
I THINK THERE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, JEFFREY, IF ANY OF THE 23RD OR ANY OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS ARE PART OF THIS $2.8 MILLION THAT WE GOT, I I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'RE PART OF THE 2.8.
THEY'RE DEFINITELY PART OF THE, OF THE 10, UM, PROBABLY THE SMALLER SCALE THAN THE WHAT'S HAPPENING ON 25TH STREET IN THAT PLANT.
BUT YEAH, IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE, I MEAN, SOONER OR LATER, I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND MANAGE.
WE'VE GOT PEOPLE GOING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE FIGURE OUT HOW, HOW TO CHANNEL 'EM AS BEST TO LIMIT ANY IMPACTS OF THE TRAFFIC.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT INCORP OFFICIALLY INCORPORATING IT INTO THIS STUDY.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT SOME CON FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION FROM THEM TO DO THAT.
WE CAN HAVE, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, SIR.
I MEAN, BUT I HAD, I HAD, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO, UH, AUTHORITY BEHIND ME TO DO THAT.
MEAN IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTIES, THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? NO, WE CAN, YEAH.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE PART OF SOMETHING THAT I JUST FEEL, I FEEL, I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I'M THE OBJECTION DIRECTOR OF REPORT, AND THAT'S MY JOB.
AND I, I WANT TO, I FEEL LIKE IF THIS PIECE IS GOING TO BE OWNED BY A PRIVATE COMPANY OR A PRIVATE ENTITY, THEN THEY SHOULD PARTICIPATE.
AND I'M SORRY, MAYBE IT'S A, MAYBE THERE'S A, CAN WE, CAN WE GET A, UH, KIND OF A, WE CAN, WE'LL TALK TO GET AN, AND MAYBE TALKING TO OR DRAWING A BLANK, THE VENDOR YEAH.
WOLFER, WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO INCLUDE THAT? AND THEN THAT GIVES US SOMETHING TO CONVERSE WITH CD SMITH? I THINK THAT, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, WELL I'M, I'M SOMETHING EITHER I HAVE TO BEG THE QUESTION NOW, ARE WE INCORPORATING THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE, UH, BROUGHT ON BY THE BATTLESHIP TEXAS IN THIS STATE? SO, I MEAN, THAT IS IS PART OF THE GENERAL AREA, RIGHT? YEAH.
I MEAN, SO, UH, THE, THE WAY THAT THE STUDY WILL, WILL KIND OF ROLL OUT IS, IS SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE THESE, THE, THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DATA IN NOVEMBER.
AND SO EVERYTHING THAT'S IN OPERATIONS IN
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NOVEMBER WILL GET CAPTURED AUTOMATICALLY KIND OF THROUGH THAT.ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, THE CONSULTANT'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS, THEY'LL HAVE TO HAVE DATA ON, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES PER DAY, YOU KNOW, AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND, AND THEY CAN ALWAYS LAYER THINGS ON THAT IN THIS MODEL.
AND, AND SO, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE THING WE WON'T NECESSARILY CAPTURE IS MAYBE IS, IS A CAR GOING TO THOSE AREAS GONNA BEHAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE WE AREN'T CAPTURING IT WITHOUT THE 40, UH, UM, THE 40, UH, INTERSECTIONS THAT WE'RE CAPTURING IN NOVEMBER.
BUT, BUT I MEAN, ALL, EVERYTHING ABOVE THAT, EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT IN OPERATION IN NOVEMBER WILL HAVE TO BE INCORPORATED VIA AN ASSUMPTION.
AND SOME OF THAT WILL GET CAPTURED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA PARK
UM, SO SOME OF THAT WILL GET INCORPORATED THAT WAY.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THINGS ABOUT, YEAH.
AT WHAT POINT, HOW CAN YOU TEST THAT MODEL TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE IMPACTS ARE? BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T COUNT 'EM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THERE YET.
AND THEY'LL LIKE, SO THEY'RE GONNA BASICALLY, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ALL THIS DATA, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD THE MODEL, AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA TEST THAT BASELINE MODEL AGAINST THE DATA AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE PERFORMING SIMILARLY.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE GONNA KIND OF DO THEIR MODEL VERIFICATION.
AND THEN AFTER THAT POINT, THEY'RE GONNA ADD IN THE, THE CRUISE TERMINAL TRAFFIC.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE DIFFERENT LAYERS, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WHERE THE EXTRA EFFORT COMES IS YOU PROBABLY WANT TO DO THESE LAYERS SOMEWHAT INDEPENDENTLY SO YOU'RE NOT JUST ADDING FIVE DIFFERENT VARIABLES AT A TIME.
KIND OF ONE VARIABLE AT A TIME.
AND, AND SO THAT'S WHERE REALLY THE EXTRA EFFORT IS, IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO ADDITIONAL MODEL RUNS TO STACK ALL THIS STUFF ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
PROBABLY A, I AGREE WITH RICHARD.
UM, SO WHEN YOU SAY DATA, WOULD THEY JUST TAKE A TOTAL NUMBER OF ALL SPACES AVAILABLE? AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE GONNA GO DOWNTOWN, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO THE FELLOWSHIP, TEXAS OR ON A CRUISE.
SO IS THAT WHEN, WHEN YOU SAY DATA, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT'S MORE TOTAL AMOUNT OF SPACES AVAILABLE.
BECAUSE I MEAN, ONCE YOU FILL THOSE, THERE'S NONE LEFT.
AND, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME ASSUMPTION AS TO USE TOO.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE IF THEY'RE SELLING TO THREE DIFFERENT CRUISES, THAT MEANS YOU SPLIT THE 500 BY THREE.
NOW THAT MIGHT BE YOUR DAILY ACTIVITY, BUT IF THEY SAY THEY'RE SELLING TO THREE DIFFERENT CRUISE SHIPS AS WELL AS DOWNTOWN PARKING, WELL THEN YOU HAVE TO SPLIT THE FOUR WAYS.
AND YOU HAVE TO MAKE THOSE ASSUMPTIONS ON HOW THEY'RE GONNA SELL THE PARKING IN ORDER TO GET ACCURATE KIND OF INPUT AND OUTPUT FROM THAT.
JUST WANT, UH, TO BE CLEAR, I THINK THAT, UH, RICHARD MAY HAVE MENTIONED THIS DOWNTOWN STUDY THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO THAT $24 MILLION LIVABLE COMMUNITY STUDY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY TRANSPORTATION COMPONENTS AT ALL.
IT'S JUST SIMPLY ABOUT AMENITIES AND, YOU KNOW, AND UH, SURFACE LIKE ACCESSIBILITY AND PAVING SURFACES AND CROSSWALK SURFACES AND LANDSCAPING AND, AND GARBAGE CANS AND BENCHES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALKS, SIDEWALKS.
BUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAD, IF WE HAD SOME KIND OF DATA THAT SAID THERE'S GONNA BE X NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING FROM THAT 400 SPACE PARKING LOT TRYING TO GET TO DOWNTOWN.
ONCE THEY GET TO DOWNTOWN, IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT IN TERMS OF HOW WE LOOK AT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA HANDLE ONCE THEY GET THERE.
THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING I THINK TO INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT IN THAT, IN THAT PROJECT WHERE, WHERE THE, WHERE THOSE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA COME FROM THERE INTO DOWNTOWN, HOW THEY GET THERE.
SO ANY JEFF, ANY, I GUESS ANYTHING, ANY OTHER QUESTION? I MEAN, GOOD DISCUSSION HERE.
HOW, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? KIND OF WHAT'S GOING ON THE OVERALL, YEAH, ONE CAVEAT PROJECT, IT'S KIND OF JUST TO RICHARD'S EARLIER POINT, IS, UM, LIKE WHAT ARE WE DOING? AND, AND THIS, THIS PICTURE IS DAVID AND UM, BECAUSE THIS IS BACK BEFORE WHENEVER WE STILL HAD THE RAILROAD TRACKS IN FRONT OF THE TERMINAL.
AND, AND SO WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS ON THE INSIDE THERE.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A ROAD THERE, BUT, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IS, IS KIND OF, WE'VE CREATED KIND OF A PEDESTRIAN PROTECTED AREA ON THE NORTH SIDE.
SO BEFORE WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS THERE'S SUCH A SMALL LANDING THERE THAT PEOPLE WERE BACKING OUT EITHER INTO HARBORSIDE OR, OR THE INTERNAL ROAD.
AND SO NOW IF YOU LOOK OUT THE WINDOW OR ON YOUR WAY OUT OF THE BUILDING, YOU'LL SEE KIND OF THIS PROTECTED BARRIER OFF AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME ACROSS HARBORSIDE AT 25TH STREET AND INTO THIS AREA.
AND THEN CROSS IS KIND OF A AREA OF REFUGE.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING WE DID IS THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN WHENEVER THE OPERATION WAS, IS WE BROUGHT ALL THE CARS FOR CRUISE FROM 25 AND 28 IN AT 23RD STREET MM-HMM
AND THEN WE SPLIT IT INTERNAL TO THE PROPERTY AND SENT SOME TO SOME TO 23RD STREET AND SOME TO 20, UH, UH, TO CRUCIAL 28TH.
AND THIS WAS ACTUALLY A COUPLE ITERATIONS BACK.
WE'VE DONE A COUPLE OF ITERATION DIFFERENCES OF, OF HOW WE SEND TRAFFIC.
AND THIS, THIS WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE, THE WORST SETUPS BECAUSE IN THIS SITUATION, PEOPLE TURNING AT 23RD STREET WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IN ABOUT 150 FEET ONTO THEY NEED TO GO RIGHT OR LEFT.
AND SO SINCE THEN WE, WE'VE MOVED THAT DECISION POINT TO 25TH STREET.
AND THEN EVEN SINCE THEN, WE ACTUALLY SPLIT
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BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WAS HAPPENING, UH, DOWN BETWEEN 20TH AND 23RD STREET, WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT, UH, TRAFFIC FOR 28 IN AT 33RD STREET AND 25 AND AT 23RD STREET.AND THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT IMPROVED THIS CONDITION IMMENSELY FROM, FROM WHAT WE SEE IN THIS PICTURE HERE.
SO YOU WERE GETTING INTO TWO TUNNELS IN THAT ONE LINE RIGHT THERE.
AND NOW THAT THERE'S FURTHER BACK AND THAT ALMOST DONE A MILE THAT PEOPLE ARE COMING IN INTO 28 NOW.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL THAT RAIL'S GONE.
WHICH JUST KEEPING THE TRAFFIC OFF.
SO IS THAT, IS THAT INTENDED TO BE PERMANENT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE 33RD? IS THAT WE, I KNOW WE CONTINUALLY EVOLVE THOSE TO TRY TO FIND BETTER WAYS TO, IT SHOWS THE BIG THING TOO.
I MEAN, SHUTTLES ON HARBORSIDE DRIVE, UM, FAST UP.
SO WE'VE GOT ALL OUR SHUTTLES GOING DOWN 30, COMING ENTERING DOWN 33 30 STREET.
AND THAT MAY BE, I'M SORRY, SHE NO, BUT NOT ON THIS.
I, I WANTED A QUICK QUESTION ON THE WAY FINDING, UH, SIGNAGE.
THESE ARE DIGITAL OR THE, THERE IT IS A MIXTURE OF, UH, DIGITAL DYNAMIC SIGNS THAT COULD SHOW, UH, SHIP NAMES AS WELL AS STATIC SIGNS.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SEE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE LATER.
BUT WHAT SIZE RIGHT NOW? WE DO NOT KNOW.
I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE THESE TYPES OF SIGNS AT THE ENTRANCE OF OUR LOTS THAT DISPLAY INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, OUR GOAL THROUGH THIS PROCESS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS PARKS BOARD HAD THE, THEIR WAY FINDING STUDY AND THEY'VE, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW AND GOT TO ROLL OUT A LOT OF THAT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO COMPLIMENT THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, AS WE KIND OF DO THE DESIGN OF THOSE SIGNS.
I THINK THAT'S IT FOR THE, FOR THIS PRESENTATION.
SO, YEAH, I MEAN, THE ONLY OTHER POINT THAT WE DIDN'T TOUCH IS YOU MIGHT MENTION THE, THE POTENTIAL SECOND WALK OVER SIX.
THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING MAYBE NEW FOR SOME FOLKS.
I DON'T KNOW ROGER, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT IT MORE, BUT WE'VE ACQUIRED THAT PROPERTY THROUGH, UH, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A LEASE YEAH.
UM, AND ONE OF THE THOUGHT PROCESSES WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH IS, UH, PUTTING A SECOND WALK OVER OVER HARBORSIDE DRIVE AT THAT LOCATION, WHICH BE, WILL BE A LOT CHEAPER.
'CAUSE WE AREN'T TRYING TO RETROFIT SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
THAT'S WHERE ALL THE MONEY'S COST US SO MUCH BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO RETROFIT AND DOWN THERE WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD, AND WE HAVE MEETINGS SET UP WITH UTMB IN THE BLUE ZONE PROGRAM TO POTENTIALLY HAVE A WALK OVER THERE AND THEN AN AREA THERE THAT COULD BE USED FOR SOME BLUE ZONE PURPOSES.
AND IN, IN ESSENCE MAYBE TURNING THAT INTO A LITTLE PARK, LITTLE EXERCISE PART.
A LITTLE EXERCISE, WHICH SHOWS ON THE MASTER PLAN, THAT BIG OPEN AREA? NO, THIS IS SOMETHING NEW.
THIS IS, UM, THE ACTUAL 16 OH WHITE PROPERTY.
UH, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
THIS RIGHT THIS, THIS SPOT RIGHT HERE.
WE, WE HAVE A LEASED PURCHASE ON THAT PROPERTY THERE.
SO ONE OF THE THOUGHT PROCESSES IS, IS PUTTING AN OVERHEAD OVER HARBORSIDE DRIVE.
AND AS THIS GETS DEVELOPED HERE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IT'LL BE CLOSER TO THAT AREA.
BUT THEN ALSO, UM, WE MEANT, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH, UH, AND WILLIE'S ON THE, ON THE BOARD AT THE BLUE ZONE AND WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT COULD WE DO SOMETHING THAT YEAH, UTMB AND UTMB SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE MONEY FOR BLUE ZONE STUFF.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOW, UH, REALLY STRETCHING, PURSUING THAT.
BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, IT COULD BE A USEFUL THING FOR US AND THE CITY.
SO THERE'LL BE A PARKING GARAGE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER? NO, NO, NO.
IT'S JUST GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, A WALK OVER AREA OR, YOU KNOW, AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET.
I MEAN WE'RE JUST, WE'RE WE JUST, WE JUST CLOSED ON LAST MONTH AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT AREAS.
IT, WE WILL BE NEARLY AS NICE, NICE IN THIS ONE HERE, BUT, UH, IT WILL AT LEAST BE START, I THINK WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WILL ALSO, YOU KNOW, COMPLEMENT THE, THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON YEAH.
IT'D BE, IT'D BE A GOOD WAY TO GET ES 15 CREEK.
I GET, I GOTTA GIVE ROGER CREDIT FOR KIND OF SEE HIM HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF VISION OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
YOU BROUGHT THAT FORWARD ABOUT PURCHASING.
WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT LEASING AND BUYING.
DO WE NEED IT OR WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT'S THE FUTURE? BUT I THINK IT REALLY DOES GIVE A GOOD ANCHOR NOW THAT WE COULD, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GIVES IT GIVES US OPTIONS.
AND AS THAT AREA DEVELOPS, YOU KNOW, BATTLESHIP TEXAS GETS UP AND GOING, WE TALK ABOUT FIFTH TERMINALS AND THEN
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PARKING DECKS AND DEVELOPMENT DOWN THERE.YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE WANTING TO GET BACK AND FORTH.
WE COULD HAVE A DROP OFF THERE.
WE COULD HAVE A DROP OFF THERE BECAUSE THERE'S AN ALLEY.
SO HOW DO YOU DO, HOW DO YOU DO THAT SAFELY? YEAH.
ALLEY GOES BEHIND THERE WHERE WE WOULD ANTICIPATE PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND DROP OFF SOMEBODY WANTING TO WALK OVER OR SOMETHING, RATHER THAN GETTING INTO THE PORT.
YOU, I WISH WE HAD THE WHOLE BLOCK.
AND SO YOU, YOU WHAT BLUE ZONE YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE IDEA OF MAYBE SOME KIND OF PARK ON THAT HALF BLOCK, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN PEOPLE, AND THEN THE LANDING FOR THAT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, LITTLE THINGS WHERE THEY HAVE STATIONS WHERE YOU DO A, YOU KNOW, YOU DO A PUSH UP OR, OR PULL UP AND YOU KIND OF PUT THAT OUT THERE AND THAT'S, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THE BLUE ZONE, AND WE MENTIONED THIS AT THE BLUE ZONE MEETING AND THEY, THEY WERE ALL OVER IT VIEWS FROM UP THERE.
WHO WOULD FUND THAT PART? WE WOULD FUND THAT PART.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I MEAN WE WOULD PROBABLY SOME, WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? JOHN'S WOULD, WHO WOULD FUND THE PARK IS JOHN'S QUESTION.
WHO WOULD FUND THE PARK? YOU KNOW, I MEAN I, I ANTICIPATE WE WOULD.
I MEAN 'CAUSE IT'S AN, IT IS A CROSSOVER FOR, FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETTING PEOPLE SAFELY OVER HARBORSIDE DRIVE.
AND, UH, SO I'M, I'M ASSUMING WE WOULD BE, WE WERE THE, WE WILL, WE GOT A 10 YEAR LEASE ON IT AND THEN, UH, THEN WE PURCHASE PURCHASE IT.
IT'S, I HATE TO USE THE WORD PART, BUT WHATEVER YOU WANT.
I JUST, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO ASKING ABOUT THE DOLLARS, NOT YEAH.
HOW MUCH IT'S A GOOD WAY FOR UT MB TO KIND OF MIGRATE THIS WAY AS WELL.
AND PART OF OUR AGREEMENT IS TO, UM, TO NAME IT AFTER, UH, THE LADIES CEASE US.
SO WE'RE GONNA PUT THE NAME OF, OF RICE ON THERE AND UH, SO THAT WAS ONE PART OF WHAT SHE LIKED.
BUT HOPEFULLY THE BLUE ZONE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME FUNDING FOR THE EXERCISE PART OF THAT.
WOULD BE MANAGED BY THE FOUR BLUE ZONE.
WE WOULD, WE WOULD CUT IT AND, AND KEEP IT MAINTAINED AND LANDSCAPED, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU CAN COME, YOU CAN COME USE IT ON THIS.
I MEAN I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF WORK DOING DROP OFF AND THINGS.
'CAUSE OTHERWISE PARKING'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE OVER THERE, BUT IF PEOPLE WANT TO OH, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET OVER AND SIT IN BATTLESHIP OR WHATNOT.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOWHERE TO PARK OVER THERE.
SO IT KIND OF SEEMS LIKE ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE IS DONE, IT COULD BE A WALK OVER AND GET TO THAT AREA.
BUT FOR ME IT SEEMS LIKE UNLESS THERE'S SOMEWHERE FOR PEOPLE TO BAR OR IF IT'S A DESIGNATED, YOU CAN DROP OFF AND WALK OVER TO THE TERMINALS FROM THERE.
IT'S GONNA BE MORE PEOPLE WALKING SOUTH YEAH.
COMING TO USE THAT LITTLE AREA THAN RIGHT.
THAN GOING, YOU KNOW, MARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND GOING NORTH TO USE THE AMENITIES.
SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION.
'CAUSE IF WE START ADDING, YOU KNOW, PARKING, UM, CONGESTION TO THAT AREA, I MEAN THAT'S GONNA KIND OF DEFEAT THE PURPOSE OF GETTING PEOPLE TO THE NORTH SIDE OF PARK.
WELL OF COURSE WE'VE GOT TERMINAL PARKING AT TERMINAL 16 RIGHT THERE EXISTING.
SO THAT WOULD BE THEM PARKING THERE AND THERE AND COMING.
WOULD THEY BE DOING THAT TO USE JUST THAT AREA OR AGAIN, THE THE DROP OFF AREAS.
YOU KNOW, ONE OTHER WAY TO GET PEOPLE.
AND THIS, AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GET BUILT TOMORROW, BUT I THINK ROGER, ROGER HAD THE FORESIGHT TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S BLOCK UP THE LAND.
SO NOW WE GOT THOSE, WE COULD HAVE THOSE, MICHAEL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT, AND AS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THAT AREA DEVELOPS, WHAT ARE THE NEEDS? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THE OLD JOKE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUILD A COLLEGE CAMPUS, DON'T POUR ANY SIDEWALKS, JUST WAIT ABOUT SIX MONTHS AND SEE WHERE THE GRASS IS TRAMPLED AND THEN POUR THE SIDEWALKS, KIND OF SEE WHERE, SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO.
SO, AND IT COULD, I MEAN IT COULD INFUSE SOME DEVELOPMENT ON THAT, ON THE, THE EAST END OF YEAH.
IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD THING TO HAVE AND GIVES US OPTIONS.
YOU OPTIONS FOR OPTIONS ARE GOOD.
SO JEFFREY, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO BRING UP OR ROGER OR ANYTHING THAT WE HAVEN'T TELL US, TELL US WHAT WE HAVEN'T TOLD YOU YET.
AS FAR AS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE BOARD SPENDS A LOT OF ENERGY AND CALORIES AND THE STAFF EVEN MORE ON, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MANAGE TRAFFIC, HOW DO WE MANAGE PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH? I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT IS A, A BIG AREA, YOU KNOW, IT IS FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, GETTING OUR, OUR PASSENGERS THERE SAFELY.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MANAGE DISRUPTION TO THE CITY.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF ENERGY THAT ROGER AND HIS FOLKS PUT INTO HOW DO WE CONTINUE, YEAH.
WE TORE UP THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND PAVE THAT OVER TO GET MORE QUEUING AREAS.
SO WE, WE KEEP TRYING TO INCORPORATE THE LESSONS AND MAKE THINGS BETTER AS WE, AS WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES.
SO, UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UH, YOU WANNA BRING UP? VERY GOOD.
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C3, WHICH IS DISCUSS FUNDING ARRANGEMENTS FOR MOBILITY STUDY SECOND PHASE AND DISCUSS PLAN TO REDUCE SCOPE SLASH COST OF SECOND PHASE.SO I THINK THE FIRST PHASE PORT'S PAYING FOR THAT, RIGHT? WE, ROGER THE FIRST PHASE THE BOARD VOTED TO PAY, WE, WE VOTED $380,000.
THE BOARD IS GONNA PAY FOR THAT.
THAT, AND THEN WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE SECOND PHASE THAT WE'VE GOT.
I GUESS MAYBE JEFF, GIVE US THE, GIVE US THE, UH, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CURRENT, MAYBE THE, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO START THE, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL ON PHASE TWO, KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A SCOPE AND HOW THAT YOU'VE SAT BACK DOWN, CATCH YOUR BREATH THERE.
UH, A LITTLE BIT OF A SCOPE AND KIND KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH PHASE TWO.
WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PHASE ONE, I GUESS.
UH, SO LET'S GO TALK ABOUT PHASE TWO KIND OF STATUS, SCOPE, COST AND WHERE, WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE? SO, SO PHASE ONE WAS DEVELOPING BASICALLY ALL, ALL THE MOBILITY ITEMS WITH RESPECT TO VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIAN CAPTURING THAT DATA, PRODUCING THIS MODEL.
SO NOW WE CAN SEE HOW THE, THE FIFTH CRUISE TERMINAL AND, AND, AND WHAT WHATEVER ELSE WE WANT TO LAYER ON TOP OF THAT.
AND THEN PHASE TWO WAS SOMEWHAT DEPARTING FROM THE TRAFFIC CENTRIC ITEMS. AND, AND THE, THE REALLY, THE, THE BIGGEST PIECE OF, OF THE PHASE TWO WAS DOING A PARKING STUDY OF THE DOWNTOWN AND PORT AREA.
AND, AND THEN FROM THAT PARKING STUDY, UNDERSTANDING WHERE PEOPLE COULD PARK AND HOW THEY COULD GET WHERE THEY WERE WANTING TO GO.
SO I WAS LOOKING AT DEMAND, LIKE COMMERCIAL DEMAND FOR PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AND PORT AREAS.
AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT THE SUPPLY OF PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AND PORT AREAS AND THEN TRYING TO CONNECT THOSE LINES.
AND THEY DO THAT IN A COUPLE OF WAYS.
ONE WITH PEDESTRIANS AND ALSO THERE'S A MOBILITY, UH, UH, LIKE, UH, SHUTTLE TYPE, UM, SYSTEM THAT, THAT THEY WERE GONNA LOOK AT ON, ON, IN ADDITION TO THOSE IMPACTS WE WERE MITIGATING JUST FROM THE TRAFFIC, LIKE WHAT, WHAT MITIGATION ITEMS COULD BE DETERMINED, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU TAKE A LOOK HOLISTICALLY AT PARKING DEMANDS TO BUY ACROSS THE WHOLE KIND OF REGION IS, IS REALLY THE, THE, THE MOST OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN PHASE NUMBER TWO.
AND SO THE, THE TOTAL COST OF THE, OH YEAH, THE TOTAL COST WE RECEIVED.
AND, UH, IT'S ON THE VERY SECOND TO LAST PAGE AT THE BOTTOM, UH, ACTUALLY AT THE TOP, UH, YEAH, WE, WE RECEIVED THIS PROPOSAL FROM, FROM
SO KIND OF THE PERSON FEEDBACK ON, ON THAT FROM, FROM THIS GROUP.
BUT, BUT IT WAS SITTING AT $530,000.
UM, ALTHOUGH THERE IS A REALLY HEAVY, UH, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT WAS ANTICIPATED WITH THIS AT $206,000.
AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG AREAS WE SAW, UM, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT IT REDUCING THIS, HOW WE COULD, COULD, COULD, COULD WE TAKE SOME OF THAT ON AND JUST TALK TO WILPERT ABOUT HOW TO REDUCE IT? BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG, BIG ITEMS. OTHER THAN THAT YOU HAVE THAT PARKING STUDY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS ABOUT $150,000 TO, TO, TO DEVELOP THE, THE PARKING DEMANDS FROM ALL THE COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS AND THE PARKING SUPPLY.
THERE'S A RUBBER TIRE TROLLEY STUDY, UM, WHICH IS GONNA BE LOOKING AT HOW PEOPLE CAN GET FROM WHERE THEY'RE PARKING TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING, UH, $31,000.
AND THEN ADDITIONAL CONCEPT LEVEL, UH, DEVELOPMENT FOR, FOR MITIGATING THOSE, THAT NEXT LAYER OF ACTIVITIES.
UH, FROM, FROM WAYFINDING, PEDESTRIAN ROUTING AND, UM, DEVELOPING LIKE SHUTTLE STOPS AND THIS, AND THAT WAS, WAS, WAS WHAT THAT TASK FIVE B IS.
AND THEN THE LAST TASK IS JUST THE REPORTS AND THE DELIVERABLES.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC MEETINGS OURSELVES, SO I THINK THAT WE JUST, WE, WE ALREADY TALKED INTERNALLY.
WE'VE TAKE THAT ON OURSELVES BECAUSE WE, WE DO HAVE ALREADY PLANNED ON THE BOOKS.
ONE FOR THE FIRST PART OF DECEMBER, WHICH WE DO EVERY YEAR, IS KIND OF A, A, A TOWN HALL MEETING WHERE WE'RE GONNA BRING EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON AT THE BOARD AND HOPEFULLY SOME RESULTS FROM THIS.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING PROBABLY AT 16 TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SEVEN OR EIGHT STATIONS, ONE LOOKING AT NEW TERMINAL, ONE LOOKING AT, AT, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I MEAN, THIS, THIS WALK OVER COULD BE ANOTHER THING.
SO WE'LL JUST TAKE ALL THAT TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN.
AND I THINK THIS, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE KNOW HOW DO IT, WE KNOW HOW TO HAVE THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND SO THERE'S NO REASON TO PAY A COUPLE HUNDRED FOR THAT.
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WE JUST TAKE THE PRODUCT AND, AND PUT IT IN A PUBLIC MEETING SETTING.SO YOUR, YOUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE JUST TO TAKE THAT, THEIR, THEIR WORK ON THAT ASPECT OF IT OUT? YEAH.
AND AND TO THE POINT WE, WE NEED, UM, MAYBE ONE PERSON.
SOMEBODY WE DID THAT WITH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF MONEY THE LAST TIME WE DID THAT.
WE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS, WITH THE MASTER PLAN.
MAYBE WE HAVE LEWIS OR JUST ONE PERSON SHOW UP FROM, FROM THERE AND, UH, AND GIVE US, YOU KNOW, HIS PROFESSIONAL MEDIA.
WILLIE, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? SINCE THE CITY OFFICIALS ARE HERE, I'D LIKE TO ASK THEM.
I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE RUBBER TROLLEY, UH, RUBBER TIRE TROLLEY, UM, WORKING WITH US.
IS THAT FEASIBLE FROM A CITY STANDPOINT? AND SOMETHING I THOUGHT ABOUT YEARS BACK IS TO INCORPORATE THAT SINCE THEY'RE KIND OF NOT USED AS MUCH.
I MET WITH JAMES AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.
JAMES OLIVER IS HERE FROM, UH, TRANSIT.
UH, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY.
AND, UH, YEAH, BECAUSE I, I WANTED TO, I REVIEWED WITH HIM THE, UH, OUR RF P SCOPE OF WORK BECAUSE IT HADN'T INCLUDED A SHUTTLE.
AND SO I WANTED TO TALK TO JAMES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE CITY.
AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THE CITY JAMES IS, UH, CONDUCTING, CONDUCTING A TOTAL ROUTE UPDATE FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
SO LET'S, LET'S THROW IN A, A, UH, A LOOP THAT GOES FROM THIS TERMINAL TO DOWNTOWN.
THEN JAMES SAID, LET'S TAKE IT ON UP TO THE SEA WALL, THE 21ST CREEK STATION THAT GET THE FEDERAL MONEY, BECAUSE THEY, THEY DO EVERYTHING ON THE SEA WALL.
SO, UH, JAMES CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
BUT IN ANY CASE, UH, WE MAY WANT LOOK AT THESE SPECIFIC SCOPE OF WORK THAT BERT HAS IN THIS AND TEMPER IT OR REDUCE IT OR SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE WITH WHAT THE CITY'S DOING WITH THE ROUTE ANALYSIS.
AND MAYBE THAT CAN, UH, TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA DO AND PUT IT ON CITY, BECAUSE CITY DOING SOME OF THAT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT DEMAND FOR THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OVERALL.
IT SEEMS LIKE A, A WILPERT STUDY COULD IDENTIFY WHAT THE DEMAND IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT.
AND THEN, SO THAT WOULD HELP INFORM, UH, JAMES OLIVER'S STUDY ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE GET THE ROUTES IN THE RIGHT PLACE, UH, MAKE SURE WE GET THE, UH, THE TURNS AND THE TIMING RIGHT.
HE, HE THINKS WE CAN DO A, A CIRCULATING TRIAL LIKE THAT UNDER 30 MINUTES.
ARE YOU SAYING WE COULD REMOVE THE 31 FROM HERE THEN? WELL, I'M SAYING IS OF IT OUT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT SPECIFICALLY WILPERT HAS GOT IN MAYO, DO THIS HERE.
BUT I THINK JAMES OLIVER MAY BE DOING SOME OF IT ALREADY.
SO IF WE COULD JUST GET WILPERT AND JAMES TO START TALKING ABOUT THIS SHUTTLE THING, I THINK WE MAY BE ABLE TO REDUCE THAT 30 WITHOUT SO MUCH.
MY, MY CONCERN IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING ANY EFFORT OR, OR WE'RE GETTING THE MOST ECONOMIES TO SCALE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT MOBILIZING, MOBILIZED ONCE, NOT TWICE.
AND THINK ROGER'S SUGGESTION FOR THE STAKEHOLDERS WILL JUST PERFECT.
AND KNOW THAT THAT GOES RIGHT ALONG WITH THAT IDEA THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A, A BIG PILE OF MONEY SITTING HERE FOR PAYING FOR THIS.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT'S GONNA COME FROM YET, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE, THE MOST, UH, EFFICIENCIES OUT OF THIS AND GET THE SCOPE AND THE COST WHERE THEY BELONG AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO WE PRODUCE THAT.
ANY COMMENTS? JAMES? I, YOU, THE STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE, THAT'S BEING DONE BY TDOT.
IT WAS UNDER THEIR TSP PROGRAM, TECHNICAL SERVICES PROGRAM.
THE VENDOR THAT THEY HAVE ON THAT THEY HAVE PROCURED IS KFH ZEN GROUP.
PRETTY WELL KNOWN IN THE TREND INDUSTRY FOR ROUTE ANALYSIS.
THESE ROUTES HAVEN'T BEEN LOOKED AT FOR OVER 15, 20 YEARS.
THEY'RE INEFFICIENT, EXPENSIVE, AND THEY'RE NOT SERVING, SERVING.
IN PREPARATION FOR THAT STUDY, WE WILL SIGN MOST LIKELY THE AGREEMENT IN TEXT TS FISCAL YEAR, SEPTEMBER.
SO WE WILL MOST LIKELY SIGN IN SEPTEMBER.
THEY'LL BE DOWN STARTING IN THE FIRST, FIRST OF THE YEAR, MOST LIKELY.
I SUSPECT IT'LL BE LIKE A TWO TO THREE MONTH.
IT WILL BE PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE WILL BE OUTREACH DONE TO VARIOUS GROUPS.
UTMB TEXT SAYING, 'EM, THE POOR SENIOR HOMES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING.
WE WERE LOOKING AT OURSELVES, WELL WHAT CAN WE DO TO MOVE THIS ALONG? WE LOOK AT TRUNCATING SEVERAL ROUTES, UM, IN THE TRANSIT WORLD HEAD.
TIME IS EVERYTHING WE LIVE ON.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ON AN ISLAND FIVE MILES WIDE, 27 MILE LONG.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT AN HOUR FOUR BUS ON AN ISLAND.
WHY WOULD YOU? WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND TAKING THAT TIME AND CONDENSING THAT TIME.
UH, WE'RE NOT MARRIED TO THAT TERMINAL.
WE CAN LOOK AT GOING, MOVING TO A NIF DIFFERENT LOCATION, 21ST STREET, EXCUSE ME.
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THE GALVEZ MAKES THE MOST SENSE.I HAVE THE TROLLEYS, I HAVE THE STEEL WHEELS AND I HAVE BUSES THAT GO THROUGH THERE DIFFERENT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING, LOOKING AT.
I DON'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH ALL THE GUYS ON THE MARKET STREET IN THE SHUTTLES.
THAT'S NOT MY, NOT MY, YOU KNOW, MY, MY BAIL WICK.
MY BAIL WICK IS UP ON SEA WALL.
WE CAN TAKE PEOPLE FROM POINT A TO POINT B, A LOT OF PEOPLE EFFECTIVELY AND EFFICIENTLY.
OUR IDEA WAS TO KEEP THE SEA WALL RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE RUNNING, UP AND DOWN SEAWALL.
BUT I'LL HAVE A BUS THAT COME IN FROM SEAWALL THAT PASSENGERS CAN PICK UP, BRING 'EM RIGHT INTO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE PORT INTO THE TERMINAL.
DROP 'EM AND HEAD RIGHT BACK OUT.
AFTER SPEAKING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER BROWN.
WE CAN DO A LITTLE JOG THROUGH DOWNTOWN DOWN THE STRAND.
WE'VE ALREADY, BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED ON SATURDAYS WITH THE, WITH THE CRUISE SHIPS, WE HAVE ALTERED OUR SCHEDULES.
WE HAVE OFFER ALTERED OUR LOCATIONS.
WE EVEN DELAYED THE TRAINS RUNNING, PULLING OUT JUST TO, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE PEDESTRIANS.
AND WITH TDOT, THE SSLA, THE OVERSIGHT THAT WE HAVE FOR THE RAIL CARS IS, ROGER MENTIONED IT EARLIER WITH FTA AND ACTUALLY DOT, THEY'RE REALLY, REALLY HAVE STRICT OVERSIGHT ON ANYTHING THAT'S RAIL.
US BEING, HAVING RAIL CARS, WE ARE IN THE SAME, SAME BOAT, SAME REQUIREMENTS, SAME EVERYTHING AS HOUSTON METRO.
I JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY THAT METRO DOES.
WHEN YOU SAY TRAINS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE CABLE CARS? UH, THE TROLLEYS.
STEEL, STEEL WHEEL WHEEL, STEEL WHEEL TROLLEYS.
YOU SAID AN HOURS ABOUT WHAT THE WAIT TIME IS NOW.
WHAT'S IDEAL FOR GALS AND WHAT DO YOU SEE GALVESTON WEEKEND? THERE'S SOMETHING, IF YOU'RE GOING FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, YOU CAN SEE 45 MINUTES.
BUT IF YOU'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH, 30 MINUTES.
AND COULD THAT BE DOWN TO 15? MAYBE COST YOU A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THAT CAN BE YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, SO THAT'S DO YOU ALRIGHT.
ARE YOU, ARE, IS IT A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU GET A RUN UP TO THE SEA WALL? I DON'T REQUIRE, NO.
SO IF YOU JUST, IF YOU JUST DID A CIRCULATING THING, YOU KNOW, DOWN, LET'S JUST SAY HYPOTHETICALLY FROM, FROM UH, ON THE PORT, ON THE PORT PROPERTY FROM ABOUT 25TH OR 28TH STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 10TH TO 10TH STREET, AND THEN COME BACK AND GO THROUGH, UH, 20TH, COME UP 20TH AND GO MAYBE 20TH.
IT COULD BE 16TH AND GO THROUGH DOWNTOWN STRAND AND JUST MAKE A SIMPLE LOOP LIKE THAT.
CAN YOU DO THAT OR CAN THE CITY, UH, I GUESS, UH, ISOLATE THAT AND UH, CHARTER IT, CHARTER IT OUT? I WOULD, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIM SIMPLY NO.
THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE FUNDING STREAMS THAT YOU HAVE.
WITH STATE FUNDING, THERE ARE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE.
SO I'M ABLE TO FINAGLE SOME OF THAT.
UNDERSTAND UNTIL THERE'S, TO WHEN YOU MENTION CHARTER, CHARTER IN THE TRANSIT WORLD IS A WHOLE, WHOLE DIFFERENT THING.
THERE ARE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THOSE REQUIREMENTS, FTA COMES AT YOU WITH A HAMMER THE SIZE OF TEXAS AND IT'S NOT PLEASANT.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, TO RUN A CIRCULAR, I WOULD, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT.
UNDER, AND FOR THIS, FOR THE CITY TO COME UP WITH IT, IT WOULD REQUIRE A FUNDING STREAM THAT I, MY POINT IS TO STAY OUT OF THAT FUNDING STREAM, WHICH WOULD BE THE GENERAL FUND.
AND IS DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN ROUTE? I MEAN, DO YOU, CAN YOU PICK YOUR OWN ROUTES? WE CAN.
WE HAS TO, WE HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT WITH, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S FEDERAL MONEY COMING IN THERE.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE HAVEN'T REALLY DONE ANYTHING IN THE LAST SIX YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE.
NUMBER ONE, WE DIDN'T HAVE MONEY 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THREE YEARS.
BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE THE, THE FUNDING, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, WE BUILT UP THAT RESERVE SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT.
ANY ROUTE CHANGE THAT YOU DO IN, IN THE TRANSIT WORLD,
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TIMING THE ROUTE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, MORE THAN 25%.SO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT ANALYSIS TO DISPARATE IMPACT AND EVERYTHING.
SO THE DIFFERENCE IN BETWEEN LIKE THE PORT AND YOUR CASE AND US YEAH.
YOU, YOU HAVING STATE FUNDING COME IN AT YOU.
BUT WE HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF REQUIREMENTS WITH THE STATE AND THE FEDS ON THERE.
SO THEY HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO PROVE IT.
AND ONE MORE QUESTION, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
IS, UH, THE TROLLEYS ON THE PORCH.
RIGHT? AND, AND WE HAVE TRACKS OVER THERE.
UM, AND I THINK WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.
WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? I MEAN, WE HAVE 'EM, THEY'RE NOT BEING USED, RIGHT? I MEAN NO, THEY ARE WE YOU TAKING TO TROLLEYS OVER THERE? YEAH.
WE TAKE 'EM ACROSS HARBOR SITE AND IT'S, IT'S UNSUITABLE.
WHEN YOU GUYS MADE THE CHANGE WITH A SPLIT 20, THE TERMINALS AND HOW YOU ENTER IT, IT HELPED US.
'CAUSE WE WOULD SIT OVER HERE ON 21ST STREET TRYING TO GO ACROSS HARBOR SITE IN METRO FOR ABOUT 30 MINUTES.
MINUTES BECAUSE WE COULD NOT GET ACROSS WITH THE, WITH THE ADDITION WHEN YOU, WITH THE PORT DOING THE PORT, UH, WHARF ROAD.
WE DECIDED AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE WENT, WE WENT BACK TO THE SSO, UH, EXCUSE ME, SAFETY AND SECURITY OVERSIGHT, WHICH IS BASED OUT OF TXDOT.
WENT BACK TO THEM AND SAID, LISTEN, PORT'S DOING THIS.
WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN THEIR WAY.
WE DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS YOU GOTTA HAVE.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO THROW OUR SWITCH AND STAY OUT OF YOUR, OUT OF THEIR HAIR UNTIL IT'S DONE.
WHEN IT'S DONE, WE'LL GO BACK.
MY ISSUE WITH THE WHARF ROAD IS THAT THE WAY IT IS DESIGNED, I HAVE A 60 TON TRAIN THAT'S MAKING TWO UNPROTECTED LEFT TURNS.
SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT IN TERMS OF HOW THAT TRAFFIC'S GOING TO GO.
WE'RE NOT THE FASTEST THING GOING THROUGH THERE, BUT WE'RE STILL 60 TONS.
WELL WE KNOW LONG TERM THAT 25 AND 28 IS NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT DESIGN MM-HMM
BUT YOU KNOW, HERE AGAIN, TO JUST START ALL OVER AGAIN WITH WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO.
BUT THAT'S JUST KIND OF COST PROHIBITIVE.
BUT WELL WITH US AND WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE A PART OF THIS SCOPE OF THE ROUTE STUDY THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH IS TO INCORPORATE SOME OF WHAT WE KNOW WHERE IT IS.
I CAN RUN, LIKE TODAY, IF YOU HEARD THE TROLLEY IN ABOUT ANOTHER HOUR OR TWO, THE SECOND ONE WILL COME OUT.
MY RIDERSHIP ON THE SEA WALL WILL EXPAND BY 20 TO 25% JUST BECAUSE I HAVE THOSE THINGS OUT THERE PER DAY.
SO I KNOW WHERE THE RIDERSHIP IS UP ON SEAWALL.
MY THING IS HOW DO I GET IT BACK DOWN HERE? BETTER YET, HOW DO I GET IT ON THE PORT ON SATURDAYS? AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE RUN, RUN, RUN THROUGH.
SO WE, WE ARE, I THINK FROM THE PORT'S PERSPECTIVE, WE WE'RE REALLY JUST INTERESTED IN RUBBER TIRE TROLLEYS.
UM, I THINK RICHARD RICHARD'S QUESTION ABOUT THE ROUTE WAS A GOOD ONE BECAUSE WHEN YOU AND I WERE TALKING, WHAT SEEMED TO BE ATTRACTIVE ABOUT MAKE ATTRACTIVE ABOUT DRILLING THE SEA WALL IN 21ST IS THAT IT OPENS UP FUNDING.
SO WE GET, WE CAN GET FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THAT.
WE, WE CAN GET SOME HOT FUNDING I THINK FOR THAT.
AND SO, UH, THEN THAT, I THINK THAT REALLY OPENS UP A LOT OF THINGS AND IT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THE TIMING OF THE ROUTE THAT MUCH.
I MEAN, IF WE CAN DO THAT UNDER 30 MINUTES, HIT THE CRUISE SHIP TERMINAL, SOME TERMINAL, THERE WON'T BE A SHIP IN THE TERMINALS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME BAD DAYS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WE STILL GET IT UNDER 30 MINUTES.
SO, UH, AND THEN WHAT IS IT GONNA COST FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA RIDE THAT CRAWL? YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE, OUR FAIR IS IF IT IS FUNDED, DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S FUNDED, MEANING WHAT REVENUE STREAM I'M GOING TO PULL MY EXPENSES FROM, IF IT'S FEDERALLY FUNDED, FEDERAL RULES APPLY.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A DOLLAR RIDE, A DOLLAR RIDE.
YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S MARKET, I THINK THAT'S LIVABLE IDEAL.
THE, FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S SOMEBODY THAT'S EITHER THAT, THAT'S AT THE PORT AND WANTS TO GO DOWNTOWN, I THINK A DOLLAR COULD TAKE THAT COULD BE BUILT INTO A TICKET PRICE OR A PROMOTION OR SOMETHING.
IT WOULDN'T, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO SEE THAT DOLLAR TO THE CRUISERS.
IT COULD BE A FREE TRIP TO DOWNTOWN.
ONE OF THE, THE THING THAT, THE THING THAT REALLY MAKES US ATTRACTIVE, AND I THINK IT GOES RIGHT TO THE HEART OF THIS STUDY, IS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE THE CRUISERS TO MAYBE LEAVE THEIR CAR IN THE GARAGE, UH, AFTER THE CRUISE IS OVER WITH, OR GET HERE EARLY AND JUMP ON THAT, THAT TROLLEY FOR NOTHING TO GO DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF CARS OFF OUT OF DOWNTOWN, NUMBER ONE.
NUMBER TWO IS A LOT OF THOSE CRUISERS INTO THE SHOPS DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO FOR A LONG TIME.
SOME OF OUR OUTREACH THAT WE HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO EXPAND OUR SERVICES ON, ON RIDERSHIP
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IS WE ARE LOOKING, WE'RE STILL TECHNOLOGY DEFICIENT.UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE ELECTRONIC SHERIFFS JUST YET.
SOMEWHERE IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE ARE, OUR OUTREACH IS TO THE HOTELS UP ON SEA WALL.
WE WORKING WITH ONE TRAVEL GROUP THAT WE'LL SELL A FIVE DAY PASS, YOU KNOW, $5 PASS WRITE ANYTHING WE HAVE.
AND ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO TRAINING PLUSES, TROLLEYS, WHATEVER ONE DAY.
WHAT, UM, CAN YOU DO YOU KNOW, OR HAVE YOU TAKEN ANY READINGS ON WHO IS GETTING ON THE SEA WALL COMING TO 21ST STREET TO YOUR OTHER STOP WITH SUITCASES, SAY FROM OTHER HOTELS DOWN THE SEA WALL? ARE WE SEEING A LOT OF THAT? ARE THEY JUST UBERING MOSTLY, OF COURSE.
THEY'LL COME OUT OF THE FREMONT THAT WE'LL TAKE 'EM RIGHT OVER HERE TO DETERMINE AND JUST GO ACROSS.
UNFORTUNATELY WE'LL WALK ACROSS HARBOR SITE, WE'LL TAKE A FEW OUT OF THERE.
MOST OF OUR RIDERSHIP THAT WE GETTING OFF THE SEAWALL IS HOTEL GAS GOING UP AND DOWN SEAWALL OR COMING DOWNTOWN.
THERE IS, DO WE GET, ARE THEY CRUISERS THOUGH? OR ARE THEY JUST, WE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE RECEIVED NUMEROUS QUESTIONS.
DO YOU GUYS GO TO THE TERMINAL? DO YOU GUYS GO TO THE PORT TERMINAL? NO, WE ONLY COME TO THE 25TH.
ONE 25TH STREET YOU'RE GONNA GO ACROSS.
AND AT THAT POINT WHEN I'M NOT CARRYING MY LUGGAGE, SO THANK YOU.
ONE OTHER THING IN THE SCOPE OF WORK IN THE RFP AND ALSO IT SAID, UH, LOOK AT USING IN REGARD TO THIS CIRCULATING BUS, IT SAID LOOK AT USING SPLASH, SPLASH IS NOT, UH, IS NOT, UH, WE CAN'T USE SPLASH FOR THIS PARTICULAR BECAUSE THAT'S TAKING PEOPLE OFF AND ON THE ISLAND, CORRECT? NOT CERTAIN IN ISLAND.
SO, UH, SPLASH DOESN APPLY TO THAT PARTICULAR AND THEN WOULD YOU WOULD GET DUPLICATION OF SERVICES, WHICH IS A BIG NO-NO WITH
WE COORDINATE WITH THEM, JUST WE DROP 'EM RIGHT HERE IN THE TERMINAL, COORDINATE WITH THEM TO GET 'EM OFF THE ISLAND AND BACK ON THE ISLAND.
OUR PHILOSOPHY IS I'M ON AN ISLAND.
WELL, I SAW, I SAW WAS UNLOAD A COUPLE WEEKENDS AGO AND THERE WAS, IT WAS CAPACITY.
THERE WAS JUST, THERE WAS A STEADY, THERE WAS A STREAM OF ABOUT 25 PEOPLE THAT ALL GOT OFF RIGHT THERE AND WALKED ACROSS THE CURBSIDE.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GOOD DISCUSSION, JACK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? SHEILA? UM, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, UH, C3.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COMING TO THE BOARD FOR, UH, THREE 50, 400,000 MORE ON, FOR PHASE TWO.
WELL, SO I THINK, YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF THE, SOMEWHERE IN 64,000 QUESTION THREE.
SO I THINK THERE, THERE MAY, MAYBE THERE'S A COUPLE OF STEPS.
I'M JUST TALKING OUT LOUD HERE.
SO, UH, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A STEP FOR, I GUESS REALLY JEFF, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT TO DO WITH THIS PHASE TWO.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE TO GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE COST? I, I THINK FIRST STEP IS WE GOTTA GET THE COST.
WE GOTTA GET THE COST TO A, WHAT WE FEEL LIKE IS A REASONABLE NUMBER.
AND I THINK THE SECOND STEP IS THEN, OKAY, WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS THE CITY GONNA PAY, THE PORT GONNA PAY? OR WHO'S GONNA FUND THAT, THAT COST? HOW MUCH IS THE CITY SILLY, THE CITY WILLING TO FUND? HOW MUCH IS THE PORT WILLING TO FUND? THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
I, I, I, TO ME, THE FIRST PART IS TO GET, TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME DIRECTION TO GO BACK TO WILPERT AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED SPECIFICALLY THE, THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PART THAT WE THINK MOST OF THAT WE CAN DO.
YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHAT WE DID WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE, WE CAN, WE THINK WE CAN DO MOST OF THAT OURSELVES.
SO THAT SHOULD TAKE SOME COST OUT.
AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE RUBBER TROLLEY STUDY.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT COME OUTTA THERE.
I THINK, I THINK FOR ME, THE MORE IMPORTANT PART OF THE RUBBER TROLLEY IS THAT COORDINATION PIECE.
YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN SAVE SOME MONEY, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT I, I GUESS I SEE THIS AS, AS JEFF'S AND, AND, AND MAYBE WITH ROB'S ENGAGEMENT THERE, GOING BACK TO WALPERT AND GETTING, KIND OF NEGOTIATING THAT DOWN TO A NUMBER, WHICH PROBABLY IS GONNA BE SOMEWHERE, HOPEFULLY 300 SOMETHING PLUS.
AND THEN THERE'S GOTTA BE THEN THAT COMES DOWN TO, OKAY, WHO'S WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, REACH IN THEIR POCKET AND PULL OUT THEIR CREDIT CARD AND VOTE AND PAY? WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THAT 300 WHATEVER THOUSAND.
AND, AND ARE WE THINKING WE DO THIS CONCURRENTLY OR OR KICKING THE BASE TWO DOWN THE ROAD? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE THOUGHT? YEAH, I THINK IT, I THINK WE GOTTA GET IT.
I THINK WE GOTTA GET CAUGHT TO A, WE GOTTA GET THAT FIVE 30 TO A DIFFERENT COST NUMBER, RIGHT? THAT'S FIRST STEP.
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YEAH.AND NOW WE GOT SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT.
AND SO THEN I THINK IT, I, AND I DON'T, WE WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE DISCUSSION HERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS THE CITY WILLING TO PAY? HOW MUCH IS THE PORT WILLING TO PAY BOB? YOU KNOW, UH, FIRST OF ALL, PART OF THAT DISCUSSION I THINK, UH, WE KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER, WAS MAKING SURE THERE'S NO DUPLICATION AND MAKING SURE WE GET THE, THE SCOPE IN THE RIGHT PHASE.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT TO ME, THE ONLY, UH, THING THAT POTENTIALLY, AND I THINK JEFF SAID THIS, THAT, THAT THE CITY HAS A STAKE IN IS THE PARKING DOWNTOWN, I THINK.
AND SO WHAT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME IN THIS PROPOSAL IS, UH, THE PARKING DATA COLLECTION AND STATE HAS TO BE, IS THAT CONTEMPLATING DOING IT AND THE ENTIRE STUDY AREA 33RD, 14TH, BECAUSE THE PARKING STUDY REALLY NEEDS TO BE, UH, PRETTY MUCH FROM 26TH TO 20TH.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T, DIDN'T SPECIFY THAT ANYWHERE IN HERE.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THE WHOLE STUDY AREA A BE THE FOCUS ON 20TH TO 26TH STREET.
SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED WITH WILBERG, I THINK RIGHT UP, RIGHT OUT THE GATE.
BUT THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, CONCEPT OF DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, REPORTING AND DELIVERABLES AND ALL THAT.
IF, IF WE CAN JUST DO THAT ALL IN ONE PHASE, THAT MIGHT, THAT MIGHT SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT AND DUPLICATION OF EFFORT AND MOBILIZATION COSTS.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS, UM, WHAT WE SHOULD NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT IN TERMS OF SCHEDULE, UH, AND SPECIFIC SCOPE.
SO I, THIS MAY BE A DUMB QUESTION, BUT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE ULTIMATELY? WHAT IS, WHAT IS IT WE WANT THIS STUDY TO TELL US? WE WANT IT TO, WE WANT IT TO TELL US WHERE ARE GAPS IN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ARE GONNA MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK AND DRIVE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THROUGHOUT THIS PROJECT AREA, GIVEN THE PROJECTIONS ON THE, YOU KNOW, TO FIVE CRUISE SHIPS, I GUESS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, DO, DO IT, YOU KNOW, MODEL, MODEL.
WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THE EXISTING DATA STUDY AND THEN WE NEED TO MODEL THE, THE WORST CASE, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHEST TRAFFIC DAY, LIKE A FIVE SHIP DAY OR A FOUR SHIP DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT WAS HOW, HOW ARE THE, DO THE, ARE THE CONSULTANTS CONSIDERING WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS AREA WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS? YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN THE MARDI GRAS COMES AND PART OF THE PORT PARKING LOT IS SHUT DOWN DOWNTOWN, SHUT DOWN.
WHAT DOES TRAFFIC DO ON DAYS LIKE THAT? HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE ANTICIPATE THAT? SO I'LL GET BACK MY QUESTION AGAIN.
UM, THIS IS A PARKING STUDY, THIS SECOND SECONDO SCOPE IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUT IS WHERE THE CITY AND OR PORT NEEDS ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE CITY, BECAUSE THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT I'M SEEING HERE.
WE CAN GET THE CONSULTANTS TO DO WHATEVER WE TELL 'EM, RIGHT? AND SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN HERE, THEN WE JUST NEED TO DO, ADJUST THE SCOPE FOR THAT.
AND SO THE, YOUR QUESTIONS YOU JUST BROUGHT UP, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU SHOULD GIVE 'EM BACK TO JEFF OR SOMETHING AND THEN WE CAN GET THE SCOPE EXPANDED.
WELL, AND PART OF IT YEAH, I KNOW, BUT MY, I GUESS MY REALLY QUESTION IS, IS ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT IS SCOPE TWO SUPPOSED TO TELL US? MM-HMM
WELL, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS.
YOU KNOW, SCOPE TWO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, YOUR CAR OR YOU WALK THROUGH YOUR CAR GOES THROUGH AN AREA.
BUT IT ALSO, I ALSO THINK IT'S RELATED TO WHAT YOU DO WITH THAT CAR WHEN YOU GET THERE.
AND SO THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS GONNA BE, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING DOWNTOWN IN THE AREA DOWNTOWN THAT'S FOR CRUISE RIGHT NOW.
SO WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT IS, WHERE IT IS, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY SINCE ANACO JUST SOLD, THERE'S A LOT OF LOTS SURFACE LOTS THAT SOLD WITH IT THAT PROBABLY ARE INTENDED TO BE CRUISE PARKING OF SOME KIND.
BUT, BUT ALSO, UH, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY, I THINK BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING ALL THIS DATA ON TRAFFIC AND ALL THESE PROJECTIONS, UH, THAT WE NEED TO LEVERAGE THAT DATA INTO MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS DOWNTOWN TO, TO PARKING.
AND THAT MEANS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S THREE OR FOUR GARAGES DOWNTOWN THAT SAID HALF EMPTY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY.
THERE'S ONE RIGHT HERE THAT SITS, THAT SITS EMPTY.
CAN WE REPURPOSE THAT LOT TO HELP US WITH OUR PARKING AND, YOU KNOW, MOBILITY PROBLEMS? AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, LET'S LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF CURB SPACES.
UH, LET'S LOOK AT, UH, BEST PRACTICES FOR THIS, UH, PARKING, YOU KNOW, CURBSIDE PARKING.
WHAT DO OTHER PLACES DO WITH PARKING TECHNOLOGY THESE DAYS? THERE'S A LOT YOU CAN DO BESIDES JUST PULL OVER AND PAY IN AN APP.
SOME PLACES DO DEMAND BASED PARKING, WHERE, FOR INSTANCE, UH, IN OUR CASE, THE STRAND IS THE HEAVIEST DEMAND.
IT COSTS YOU MORE TO PARK THERE THAN IT DOES ON CHURCH STREET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I'M JUST, JUST TRYING TO LEVERAGE THIS DATA THAT WE'RE GONNA BE COLLECTING TO HELP US WITH OUR PARKING, UH, IN THAT AREA.
SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO COME UP WITH,
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UM, WE NEED THIS MANY PARKING SPACES.WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DEFICIT? YEAH.
AND, AND THEN WHERE CAN WE LOOK FOR THAT? RIGHT.
I THINK THAT, AS I REMEMBER BACK EVEN WHEN TREY CLICK WAS HERE, THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONVERSATION A FEW MONTHS.
BUT THAT WAS KIND OF THE CONVERSATION IS THAT I, I CAN THINK THERE'S THE WORD, YOU KNOW, INVENTORY AND YOU GOTTA LOOK AT WHERE THE PARKING IS.
WHAT'S IT BEING USED FOR? WHERE, WHERE'S THE PARKING NOW? HOW MUCH DO WE NEED? WHERE AND, AND WHERE SHOULD IT BE? OR IS IT IN THE RIGHT PLACES? YEAH.
AND WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THE WHOLE AREA FROM 33RD AND 14.
WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT AREA WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY COINCIDES WITH THE DOWNTOWN PARKING DISTRICT.
SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, BOB, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT, LET'S SQUEEZE DOWN THE, THE PHYSICAL SCOPE OF THAT PART OF IT.
THE PARKING, PARKING DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS, WHICH IS 148.
SQUEEZE IT DOWN TO THE IMMEDIATE DOWNTOWN AREA AND SEE WHAT, WHAT THAT WOULD COST.
AND THEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT.
WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE, LET'S FOCUS ON THE, WHERE THE ISSUES ARE.
AND THEY'RE BETWEEN, THERE ARE 20TH 20, BETWEEN 20TH AND 26TH, BASICALLY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE DOWNTOWN PARKING DISTRICT.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES I I SEE IN YEAR IS EMPLOYEE PARKING MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, WE GET APPROACHED ALL THE TIME FOR, FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING.
THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A, THAT THAT IS, THAT'S A KEY THING.
WE WANT, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY CONTRACT WITH SOME OF THESE GARAGE OWNERS.
UH, AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN, THEY CAN WALK TO WORK.
OR IF THEY CAN'T WALK TO WORK, MAYBE THEY GET ON THAT SHUTTLE WE GOT GOING AND GET TO WORK.
SO THOSE, IT, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD GRASP OF THE SCOPE OF THAT SECTION OF THIS PROJECT THOUGH, RIGHT? NO, NO.
IT'S, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE NOT SURE IF IT, IF THE STUDY INCLUDES THE WHOLE AREA.
AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WAS THERE INPUT FROM THE PORT ON THIS TO STUDY THAT WHOLE AREA? BECAUSE Y'ALL WERE INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING HOW Y'ALL'S PARKING LOTS COULD BE BETTER UTILIZED AS WELL.
I KNOW SOMEBODY ELSE PARKING LOTS.
I I CAN ANSWER THAT FROM BEING THE INITIAL, YOU KNOW, WAY BACK A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, REALLY, THE, THE IMPETUS FOR THIS PARKING STUDY CAME FROM THE CITY CAME FROM TRAY CLICK CAME FROM BOB.
FROM, I THINK FROM A PORT STANDPOINT, WE WEREN'T SO INTERESTED.
WE WERE MORE INTERESTED IN THE MOBILITY PIECE, THE PHASE ONE.
SO WE WEREN'T, WE FOCUSED ON, SO SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, WE, WE REALLY WEREN'T LOOKING AT THE PORTS PARKING SITUATION.
REALLY THE EMPHASIS CAME FROM LOOKING AT DOWNTOWN PARKING AND, AND IS THAT MAYBE WHY THIS NUMBER IS SO BIG? BECAUSE IT WAS TAKEN, I, I MEAN, I KIND OF LOOKED AT JEFFREY ABOUT WHAT WAS, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK, AND I CAN GO BACK TO THE CHAT ABOUT REDUCING THE, THE, THE AREA OF SCOPE BECAUSE I, I, I DO BELIEVE THIS IS THE WHOLE STUDY AREA THAT WAS SHOWN IN GREEN ON THAT SLIDE.
AND SO JUST LOOKING AT THAT AND, AND DEVELOPING AN ACCURATE DEMAND FOR THAT WHOLE AREA IS A PRETTY DYNAMIC AREA.
SO, SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE REASON FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR THE COST.
UM, BUT YEAH, AND THERE'S LIKE I MENTIONED THIS MINUTE AGO IN THAT EVEN IN THAT SMALLER AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATE, UH, CRUISE PARKING THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AGAIN SINCE, SINCE THE
SO, SO I THINK THAT, YEAH, THE ANSWER YOU THAT PART OF THE TO DO IS TO GO BACK AND, YOU KNOW, DEFINE, DEFINE THAT SCOPING ON THIS PARKING TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THAT NARROWER AREA AND SEE, YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT THE IMPACT THAT IS ON THE COST.
THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHAT OUR, OUR INTEREST IS.
THERE IS CRUISE PARKING DOWNTOWN? WELL, NO, HE'S THINKING SOME OF THE NEW LOTS.
HE'S THINKING SOME OF THE NEW LOTS COULD BE THAT.
YEAH, I GUESS THE, HERE, IT'S INCLUDED IN THERE NOW, RIGHT DOWN HERE.
AND THEN ALSO THOSE, UM, UH, WELL, SOMEBODY JUST TORE DOWN HISTORIC BUILDING ON STRAND, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THEY WANT TO USE FOR PARKING.
THAT HAD BEEN THE ZONING CHANGE, JUST LIKE LAN SMITH DID.
BUT THEN THERE'S THOSE OTHER LOTS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH ANCO SALE SURFACE LOTS.
UH, AND THAT THOSE MIGHT BE USED FOR CRUISE PARKING.
THOSE ARE, I GUESS THAT'S THE FUTURE.
OH YEAH, WE HAVE MET WITH THEM.
IS THAT THEIR INTENTION? MET WITH THEM? UH, WAS IT YESTERDAY? I THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS
IT WAS A GOOD PRICE, A GOOD DEAL.
AND SO IT WAS BOUGHT AND, AND SO NOW THEY'RE ASKING US, THEY'RE TALKING TO OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WOULD WE, WOULD WE WANT TO MANAGE THAT? AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
SO I MEAN, I THINK IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
FOR DOWNTOWN, IS IT LOCATED IN ENOUGH PLACE THAT PEOPLE WILL PARK THERE AND WALK DOWNTOWN? HE IS.
HOW DO YOU GET THAT WAS OUR QUESTION ABOUT IT.
YEAH, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE ISSUE IS GETTING A, THAT'S, I KNOW THE PART THAT TREY BROUGHT UP, I'M SORRY, WILLIE.
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OKAY.TREY BROUGHT UP WAS EVEN LIKE THE 21ST PARKING GARAGE, THAT MARKET IN 21ST.
YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY AVAILABLE, BUT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO PARK THERE.
AND THEN HOW DO I GET TO THE STRAND? SO IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE SOME KIND OF TRANSPORTATION, IT'S PEOPLE AREN'T NECESSARILY GONNA USE IT.
GETTING BACK TO THE PARKING AND THE SCOPE AND WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT? IS THERE A PERCENTAGE THAT WE KNOW OF JEFF OR ANYBODY, LIKE WHAT PERCENTAGE IT IS? IS IT OF EMPLOYEES THAT WORK DOWNTOWN? WHAT PERCENTAGE IT IS? IS IT OF SHOPPERS THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CRUISING OR US, YOU KNOW, AND, AND HOW MUCH OF THAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR YOU? UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FOUND OUT WITHIN THE STUDY.
WE, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A GOOD GRASP OF THAT NUMBER AT ALL.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS ACTUALLY, BUT I'M TRYING TO THINK.
SO, SO I THINK WE'VE GOT YEAH, I KNOW WE, SO WE'VE GOT, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE OF THE THINGS TO GO BACK ON IS THE PARKING AND NARROW THAT, MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT THAT SCOPE NARROWED.
AND WHAT DOES, DOES THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE, BECAUSE BECAUSE IT DOES READING THROUGH IT, IT DOES SOUND LIKE THEY'RE LOOKING AT A BROADER, THE TOTAL AREA.
AND I THINK REALLY THE INTENT WAS, I KNOW FROM THE INITIAL TIME YOU GUYS BROUGHT THIS UP, IT WAS, LET'S LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN PARKING AND ALL THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WITH PARKING GARAGES AND EMPTY SPACES AND EMPLOYEES AND ALL THAT.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT'S FOCUSED ON THAT AREA.
THAT'S WHERE WE WANNA SPEND, SPEND THE MONEY IS ON THAT AREA.
THE TWO THINGS I, I HAD SCOPE, SCOPE RELATED IS ONE IS THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE EVENTS.
THIS, THIS IS AGNOSTIC TO EVENTS, THIS STUDY.
SO IT'S NOT LOOKING AT DEMAND FOR EVENTS OR HOW THINGS ARE LOOKING DURING EVENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT, WHAT I'M REFERRING TO THERE IS, UM, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY IN PARTICULAR DAVID SMITH WHO, WHO DOES THESE EVENTS, JUST TO BE ABLE TO BRING A LITTLE MORE DATA POINTS TO IT.
I'M NOT ASKING THE CONSULTANTS TO GO OUT AND GATHER DATA ON EVENTS.
I'M ASKING THEM TO COORDINATE WITH DAVID SMITH ON WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS DOWN HERE WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS.
SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL KNOW AND PART OF THEIR ANALYSIS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO AT LEAST ADDRESS IT SOME WAY, NOT ASKING 'EM TO DO MORE WORK, JUST COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY.
AND, UM, TO, TO THAT POINT, I THINK THEY WOULD, WITH THIS MODEL BEING CREATED, THAT DOES GIVE A PLATFORM FOR WHICH YOU COULD DO ADDITIONAL EXACTLY.
YOU COULD ADD ANOTHER ANALYSIS.
SO JEFFREY, ARE YOU CLEAR ON THE KIND OF THE SCOPE ITEMS AND FOR ROGER AND JEFF, I GUESS YOU AND ROB HAVE KIND OF BEEN THE POINT PEOPLE WITH, UH, WILPERT THERE.
ARE YOU GUYS CLEAR ON WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND TALK TO 'EM ABOUT? I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION TOO, BECAUSE I HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS WITH RESPECT TO THE SHUTTLES.
AND ONE WAS HOW WE GET CRUISE PASSENGERS FROM THE TERMINALS TO DOWNTOWN, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS NECESSARILY REFLECTED IN THE STUDY AS MUCH AS THE STUDY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE WAS LOOKING AT PARKING DEMANDS GENERATED BY THESE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES, LOOKING AT THE PARKING SUPPLY AND THEN CONNECTING THOSE TWO POINTS AND NOT NECESSARILY THINKING OF A THIRD PERSON THAT MIGHT BE JUST SOMEONE THAT'S IN THE AREA FOR ANOTHER REASON.
UM, I THINK AFTER THEY'VE DROPPED OFF THEIR LUGGAGE TO COME BACK DOWN.
LIKE, LIKE WHETHER OR NOT LIKE IT'S GONNA, BECAUSE I THINK THAT DATA'S GONNA BE HARD TO FIND IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO GO AFTER THE CREWS TO THE COURT.
AND THAT'S THE DATA YOU NEED TO SOLVE THAT.
ALL I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS THERE WAS, IS THERE A WAY TO GET, FIRST OF ALL, IS THERE A WAY TO GET THE CRUISERS TO DOWNTOWN SHOPS? AND SECONDLY, IS THERE A WAY TO MINIMIZE, IS TO MINIMIZE THE NUMBER OF CARS DOWNTOWN BY HAVING THEM LEAVE THEIR LUGGAGE AND THEIR CAR AT THE PARKING GARAGE WHILE THEY COME DOWNTOWN FOR AN HOUR AND COME BACK.
AND SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEIR LUGGAGE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PARKING.
UH, THEY CAN, THEY CAN STAY AS LONG AS THEY WANT DOWNTOWN AND THEN, AND THEN GO BACK.
UH, SO, UM, DOES THAT ANSWER THEIR QUESTION? YEAH.
I MEAN, AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DESIRE RIGHT TO, TO DO THAT.
I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THIS STUDY, THE WAY IT'S SET UP IS, IS SET UP TO DO THAT.
LIKE I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A CONVERSATION ON HOW IF THERE'S A CIRCULATOR, CAN THAT OPPORTUNITY BE AVAILABLE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS STUDY WOULD GIVE US THE DATA OF HOW MANY CRUISERS WANT TO COME TO DOWNTOWN.
WE WON'T REALLY KNOW UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE THING IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SHUTTLE EMPLOYEES AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHATEVER.
I CAN SEE THIS SHUTTLE COURT AND PORT COORDINATING THE VISION VISIT GALVESTON, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SOME KIND OF PACKAGES OR SOME KIND OF PROMOTIONS THAT GETS PEOPLE TO GET ON THAT SH SHUTTLE THAT YEAH.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THAT DATA UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY TRIED TO SHUTTLE.
SO JEFF, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU, YOU NEED INPUT FROM THIS GROUP AS FAR AS ROGER, ANYTHING TO GO BACK TO KIND OF NO, KIND OF RENEGOTIATE THIS TO, UH, THE RIGHT SCOPE AND, AND I WOULD ASSUME A SMALLER DOLLAR AMOUNT.
I THINK, I THINK, I THINK WE DO.
I MEAN, WOULD IT, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF, AND UH, ONE OTHER THOUGHT IS JUST, UH, THIS, THIS, YEAH.
ASK, ASK ME IF YOU, YOU GOT EVERYBODY GOT A CAP GOING? YEAH.
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MAKE US, MAKE US DECIDEWE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A PARKING GARAGE DOWN THERE THAT SAYS HALF EMPTY.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT OR NOT.
BUT I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT IS THAT THERE ARE PARKING SPACES DURING THE WEEK NORTH OF HARBORSIDE.
COULD THOSE BE UTILIZED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING DOWNTOWN? AND THAT'S WHEN THE SHUTTLE SERVICE COMES IN.
ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT EMPLOYEE PARKING, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU KNOW THE PORT, DO THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACES SOMEWHERE FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING THAT COULD POSSIBLY SH BE SHUTTLE TOO? OH, EMPLOYEES FOR DOWNTOWN.
AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT EXPAND THAT SIZE OF THE SCOPE BESIDES JUST HERBICIDE AT CHURCH 20TH TO 25TH, BUT MAYBE IN VERY ISOLATED AREAS OR JUST SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, UH, PARKING LOTS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT TO FACILITATE SOME SMITH PARKING LOT.
WELL, THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING.
BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAVE LOTS OVER HERE, RIGHT? UH, THIS DIRECTION IS THAT LOT A OR E OR SOMETHING.
AND SO MAYBE THOSE CAN BE TRANSITIONED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
MAYBE CARGO DOWN THE ROAD WHO, WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU'LL DO WITH THOSE? BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT TO SEE WHAT OPTIONS WE HAVE.
MAYBE WE USE 'EM, MAYBE WE DON'T, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE.
ALRIGHT, RICHARD, YOU KNOW, I I, SOMETHING JUST DAWNED ON ME AND THAT IS THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY, UM, TEST THE THEORY ABOUT THE SUR CIRCULATOR SYSTEM USING OUR INTERNAL PARKING SHUTTLES.
BASICALLY DO IT, YOU KNOW, SET UP A, SET UP A THREE MONTH TEST AND SEE, UH, HOW, HOW WE'D NEED LIKE THE PARKS BOARD AND OTHER PEOPLE TO, TO MARKET IT FOR US, BUT TO, TO REALLY SEE HOW THAT'S GONNA WORK IN THE TRIAL.
WHEN I MENTIONED THAT LAST TIME, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, UH, I THINK JULIO WAS IT THAT SAID THAT HE, THEY HAVE TO RUN VERY RAPIDLY, RIGHT? WELL JUST BE EXPENSE.
WE HAD ONE, WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THAT.
YOU'D HAVE TO SET SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY COULDN'T SAY NEED ONE OF THEM.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO GAUGE, DEDICATE TO SHUTTLE FOUR OR THREE THAT CAN MAKE CONTINUOUS CIRCLE.
SO NOT WELL 'CAUSE WE NOT, PEOPLE CAN'T STAND OUTSIDE.
AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I MEAN THAT, THAT MIGHT, THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO KIND OF, KIND OF, TO SEE HOW IT WORKS, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE.
BUT, UH, IF, IF, UH, WE CAN KIND OF DEMONSTRATE WHAT KIND OF RIDERSHIP WE MAY BE POTENTIALLY GETTING, UH, BY SERVING THE CREWS, UH, TERMINALS AND DOWNTOWN, THAT NUMBER MAY MAKE IT LOOK VERY ATTRACTIVE TO THE FED FEDS WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO FUND THIS PARTICULAR, RIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN BOTH PLACES.
AND IF WE CAN DEMONSTRATE THE FEDS WE'RE CONNECTING A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT THIS SHUTTLE IS GONNA BE FULL, THEN THEY MAY BE MORE LIKELY TO WORK THERE.
BUT THAT'S GOOD DATA TO HAVE TOO.
I THINK, UH, FOR THE PORT, YOU KNOW, IF WE, WE CAN SHOW AS THE PORT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING SERVICES TO DOWNTOWN AND WE'RE ACTUALLY HELPING PROMOTE THEIR BUSINESSES AND WE CAN SHOW THAT THROUGH DATA.
I THINK THAT'S JUST A, A GOOD FEATHER IN THE CAP OF THE PORT TOO.
I THINK WE'RE GETTING SOME, WE'RE HERE TO, WHAT WE'RE DOING AT THE PORT IS SERVING THE COMMUNITY AND THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWNTOWN, WE, WE UH, CHARTER THOSE SHUTTLES DON'T WITH BASICALLY, WELL YEAH, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE FIVE YEAR CONTRACT.
WE JUST RAN IT INTO, INTO CONTRACT.
AND, AND WE COULD PROBABLY, IF NECESSARY WE HAVE TO GET, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING I REALLY WANT JULIO TO RUN.
'CAUSE HE HE'S GOT THE SKILLS FOR SURE.
UH, AND I THINK WE COULD COME UP WITH WITH DATA.
YEAH, NO, IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD FUTURE THING.
JAMES, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING OR ARE YOU JUST STRETCHING YOUR BACK?
SOME OF 'EM HAVE BEEN, SOME BE FUNDED IN THE PLAZA.
VICTORIA IN THE VICTORIA AREA IS ONE OF 'EM.
THEY, IT WAS DONE BY GOLDEN CRESCENT.
THEIR TURNOVER AND THEIR ABSENTEE RATE DROPPED TO LESS THAN 10%.
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IN THE PAST STOCK SO MUCH OF IT, THEY WOULDN'T WANT BUSES FOR THE AGENCY TO KEEP CONTINUE THAT WE LOOKED AT AT ONE POINT IN TIME.CATERPILLAR AT SEINE, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, IF YOU GOING TO LOOK AT A SHUTTLE FOR THE EMPLOYEES, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DOES THE PORT HAVE WHERE LOCATIONS ARE COMING FROM WITH THE JUST NOT ACTUAL ADDRESSES.
YOU'RE ABOUT DOWNTOWN EMPLOYEES.
WE MOVE, WE MOVE THE EMPLOYEES.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE SHOVELS.
I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT COMING FROM THEIR HOUSES HERE.
WELL THE POINT, I'M SORRY, I KIND OF BEING ENTERED A LITTLE BIT.
THE POINT IS, IF YOU CAN GET THE EMPLOYEES, YOU CAN ALSO GET OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN AT THAT SAME TIME.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT DISSIPATES.
WHERE DOES SUPPORT EMPLOYEES PARK AND WHERE DO Y'ALL SHOVEL TABLE? YOU KNOW, WE, IT IS VARIABLE BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS WE TRY TO MAKE AS BE CAN AND, AND TO KEEP THE EXPENSES DOWN.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WHEN WE ARE RUNNING TWO SHIPS OUT OF 10, WE MAY LET THE EMPLOYEES PARK ON A LOWER PART ON THE SIDE RIGHT NEXT TO THE TERMINAL.
'CAUSE IT SAVES US A SHUTTLE TO PAY FOR SHUTTLES.
BUT THEN WHEN WE HAVE THE THIRD SHIP COMING IN, IN THE FALL, THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE, WE'RE PARKING OVER HERE MOST, MOST OF THE TIME.
WE BOUGHT THAT ONE LOT OVER THERE.
THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE CITY SERVICES AREA.
UM, FOR THAT, FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING.
AND WE, WHEN WE ARE FULLY OPERATIONAL, WE GOT THREE SHIPS HERE, THREE SHIPS THERE AND ALL THAT.
WE HAVE TO USE ALL THAT SPACE THERE 'CAUSE WE'RE SELLING OUT PRETTY MUCH THE PORT.
WHEN WE HAVE THAT, WE HAVE THAT THIRD SHIFT OF BOTH TERMINALS OR SEASONALLY.
WHEN WE GO, WE COME OVER HERE AT 28 AND WITH THE, UH, ADDITION OF, YOU KNOW, ASSUMING OUR BOARD PASSES EDITION OF MARGARITAVILLE, THEN NOW WE'LL HAVE A, WE'LL HAVE FRIDAYS DONE AT 28.
SO THAT'S GONNA, THAT'LL HELP US ALSO 'CAUSE IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE A FULL YEAR ROUND SHIFT.
I MEAN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE, WE GAUGE IT RIGHT AS WE AT, AT SEASONABLY WE WILL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE SOME PARKING OVER THERE.
WE HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES THAT PARK HERE FOR DOWNTOWN AND I THINK IT'S, AND THE IS ON VACATION.
BUT, UM, I I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE 70 SPOTS.
DO YOU KNOW JEFF IN, IN, IN THE TRANSIT CENTER? I I AM NOT SURE TO TELL YOU, WE, WE PARKED DOWNTOWN EMPLOYEES.
IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE IF WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH HOW Y'ALL DO Y'ALL'S EMPLOYEE SHUTTLE.
IF WE COULD TAG ONTO THAT AND ADD ONTO IT WITH A STOP DOWNTOWN.
AND, AND YOU I THINK WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
I MEAN, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD SAY IS THAT OUR EMPLOYEES ARE, UH, COMING IN EARLY.
THEY'RE COMING IN AT SIX IN THE MORNING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND WHEN WE FIRST INTRODUCED THE SHUTTLE FOR EMPLOYEES, THAT ONE OVER, LIKE REALLY, I MEAN WE, EVERYBODY'S OKAY NOW, RIGHT? SOCIAL MEDIA.
IT WAS, I'VE GOT SOME NEIGHBORS.
BUT IT REALLY, BUT IT, IT GETS DOWN TO THE POINT IF YOU PROVIDE A GOOD SERVICE, I MEAN PART OF THEIR ISSUE WAS IF I GOTTA STAND HERE IN THE HOT SUN FOR 30 MINUTES, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF JAMES ISSUE.
NOW IF THIS THING IS RUNNING CONTINUOUSLY AND I KNOW, I KNOW WHAT IT IS, I GOT A PLACE TO WAIT.
SO, BUT YOU GOTTA PROVIDE A GOOD SERVICE.
BUT I THINK THAT IS AN OPTION FROM SOME OF THOSE LOTS, RIGHT? IT'S A FREE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE.
I MEAN I WOULD APPROACH THIS EVERY TIME, YOU KNOW, THANKS POP SHOP DOWN.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE SUPPLY, WE PROVIDE, WHICH IS A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOT, I THINK JEFF'S GOT A GOOD HANDLE ON SCOPE.
I GUESS THE OTHER, THE LAST, THE LAST PIECE IS I DON'T, WE WANT TO EVEN PHILOSOPHICALLY THE OPTIC FIELD PORTS PORTION, THE CITY'S PORTION, ANY GENERAL, I GUESS NECESSARILY MAKE DECISION TODAY, BUT BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A NUMBER THAT WE CAN DISCUSS.
BUT I GUESS ANY GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL COMMENTS FROM PORT CITY ABOUT FUNDING? YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME.
YOU KNOW, SO I'LL TELL YOU THAT THE CITY, I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE RIGHT NOW FOR FUNDING THIS.
AND UM, SO OF COURSE ANY HELP WE CAN GET FROM BEFORE IS APPRECIATED.
UM, BUT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW THE COSTS FIRST.
YEAH, THAT'S, WE GOT SOMETHING DEBATE.
UNTIL WE HAVE THOSE AND A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE, I THINK WE GOT IT KIND OF WAY.
I'M, I THINK I'M GONNA SUMMARIZE AND SAY THE CITY DOESN'T WANT PAY FOR IT, RIGHT? I MEAN YOU DON'T HAVE, I MEAN I'M HERE WE DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR
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IT IS WE DON'T HAVE THE THOUGHT.I MEAN IT'S HERE AGAIN, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT, RIGHT? YES.
THE BOARD CAN DECIDE HOW WE WANT TO DO THAT.
LET'S, YEAH, LET'S GET, LET'S GET, LET'S GET A NUMBER AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO LET'S GET A GOOD NUMBER AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOMETHING.
AND I, I GUESS THE HOT FUND ISSUE THAT IS THAT A, IS THAT DEAD? I'M SURPRISED ABOUT THAT.
I'M SURPRISED THAT THE RELUCTANCE OF THE LAWYERS TO TO CRAIG MENTIONED THAT, THAT IT'S, I DON'T LIKE TAKING A NOTE FOR AN ANSWER, SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT'S OFF THE TABLE.
UH, I NEED TO, I NEED TO DIG IN THAT I HAVEN'T REALLY.
YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING IN PARALLEL TO ASK THOUGH.
'CAUSE I, THAT WAS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT KIND OF THE ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION THING MAYBE, BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO GO ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT.
IN YOUR HEAD IS THAT, IS THAT REALISTIC OR NOT, SHEILA, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING.
I MEAN IF IT'S REALISTIC THEN WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS NOT LET'S DESCRIBE YEAH.
LET'S DON SO THAT WAS MOVE FORWARD ON THIS SO THAT, SO ANYTHING ELSE ON MOBILITY STUDY? I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU FOR COMING AND YEAH, FOR SURE.
ROB, THANK YOU ALSO FOR I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE SUPPORTING JEFF BACK THERE SAYING GO JEFFREY.
I WAS GONNA SAY I DON'T WANT NO, SHE DID A GOOD JOB.
RON, ANYTHING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON, ON ANY OF, NO, I THINK THE BIG STUFF IS JEFF AND I HAD TO GO THERE AND WORK TOGETHER TO TIGHTEN UP THAT SCOPE.
YEAH, I THINK THE BALL, THE BALL'S IN, IN YOUR COURT.
SO, AND I THINK I HEARD THE NUMBER AROUND 300,000 IS KIND OF THE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
THIS IS, THIS IS, YEAH, LOWER.
THIS IS GOLF NOT BOEING SCORES.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR WINNING SCORE.
I MEAN I THINK IT, AND I THINK IT A GOOD CITY PORT EFFORT HERE BECAUSE I THINK AS WE TALKED ABOUT, JUST BENEFITS NOT ONLY THE PORT, BUT ALSO BENEFITS THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE, AND THE VISITORS.
[C.4 Update on Pier 19]
WE DID HAVE A TON OF SEE FOR QUICK UPDATE ON PIER 19.I DON'T WANT TO SPEND A, WE'VE ALREADY, UH, YES, I KNOW WAS COMING.
YEAH, HE HAD, HE SAID HE HAD A CONFLICT MEETING.
BUT I GUESS IF WE HAVE, I KNOW WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS TENANT MEETINGS AND STAFFS DESIGNS.
ANY, ANY, ANY JUST GENERAL UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THE P 19 AREA.
THE LATEST WE HAD IS WE HAD A, A, A TEAMS MEETING WITH STAS, UH, BOB BROWN, UH, MYSELF AND A FEW OTHERS EXCLUDING THE TENANTS.
JUST TO KIND OF GO AN OVERVIEW OF THE, THE KIND OF THE FINAL DESIGN, UH, IN ANTICIPATING UH, PROVIDING THE PRESENTATION TO THE PIER 19 TENANTS IN SEPTEMBER.
BUT THAT MEETING HAS NOT BEEN SCHEDULED YET.
IT'LL BE AN IN PERSON MEETING SO IT STOCKS GONNA COMING HERE.
SO WE HAVE, SORRY, RICHARD, YOU HAVE YOU JUST, WHO WAS IT? BRETT, WAS THERE SOME CONVERSATION GOING ON ABOUT, UM, 'CAUSE I SAW SOME EMAILS ABOUT DESIGN WORK FOR THE USS TEXAS, SO YES, I HEARD THAT IS INVOLVED THAT I'VE HEARD THAT THEY MAY BE REACHING OUT TO THEM TO KIND OF COME UP WITH AN IDEA AND, AND AND CONCEPT.
SO THE TEXAS FOUNDATION HEARD ABOUT THAT AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA.
THE, THE PROBLEM, THAT'S MOSTLY THE PROBLEM.
WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW IS TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE LAND LEASE THAT'S PART OF THE CURRENT LEASE THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE KNOW WHAT FOOTPRINT THEY HAVE TO DESIGN ROUND.
BUT PART OF THAT IS, SO WE HAD THE DISCUSSION THAT IF YOU THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PIER 10 DEVELOPMENT FUTURE BATTLESHIP TEXAS, THEN, YOU KNOW, PIER 19 IS REALLY KIND OF A, IT'S REALLY KIND OF A WAY POINT RIGHT? OF PEOPLE SAY WALKING FROM 21ST DOWN TO BATTLESHIP TEXAS DOWN TO PIER 10.
AND SO THAT CONCEPT KIND OF MAYBE EVOLVED A LITTLE BIT FROM BEING, YOU KNOW, BIG FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT HAD, WERE IN THE DISCUSSIONS, I MEAN THE TENANTS WERE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN THRILLED WITH LOSING ANY PARKING, RIGHT? SO WE, WE TOOK THAT INPUT, WE HEARD THE FEEDBACK AND SO I THINK WHAT STASS DID IS THAT, OKAY, WE CAN DEVELOP THIS SPACE, BUT WE CAN BUILD IT WITH A SURFACE THAT CAN BE USED FOR PARKING WHEN THEY HAVE, CORRECT.
AND IT CAN BE USED FOR EVENTS OR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT GATHERINGS OR WHATEVER.
SO THEY TOOK THAT ALL INTO ACCOUNT.
I THINK THEY KIND OF ELIMINATED THE, THE BOARDWALK ALONG THE PIER.
BECAUSE THAT WAS A SERIOUS CONCERN FROM THE TENANTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UNLOAD, THROWING FISH OVER AND GUTS AND NOW WE GOT PEOPLE AND THEY'RE GETTING HIT WITH FISH OR THEY'RE FLIPPING ON FISH GUT.
I MEAN, SO WE SAID THAT'S JUST, AND THE STORM TRUCK TRAFFIC, SORRY, GUESS VISUAL.
BUT SO WE DID, WE DID TAKE THAT INPUT FROM THE TENANTS AND INSTALL AND THAT WAS APPLIED INTO THE DESIGN AND APPLIED.
SO NOW I GUESS THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF TO A KIND OF A PROPOSED DESIGN NOW OR A PRODUCT? WELL, SO IT IS A WALKTHROUGH.
I MEAN BASICALLY, I MEAN YEAH, IT'S NOT A DESTINATION.
IT'S A PLACE THAT'S GONNA BE NICER TO WALKTHROUGH BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE, I THINK EVERYBODY FEELS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO THE EAST END.
SOME OF IT'S GOING TO THE EAST END AND HOW DO WE MAKE THAT CONNECTION NICE TREES AND MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE? AND IT COULD POTENTIALLY BE USED IN TIMES
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WHEN THERE'S NO PARKING BEING USED.IT COULD BE OPENED UP, BUT IT'S NOT VERY BIG AREA.
BUT WHAT ROGER, WHERE DOES THAT, UM, STAIRWAY ON THE WEST END DROP DOWN OR THE WEST END OF THE, OF THE GARAGE.
THE GARAGE FOR CT 60, IT DROPS DOWN THAT AREA THERE.
I MEAN THAT'S WHERE WE BUILT THAT, THAT, SO THERE WAS A CONNECTIVITY FROM PARKING DECK RIGHT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THAT'S, IT'S STILL USABLE, RIGHT? OH YES, IT'S COMPLETE.
OH YES, IT DOWN, YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THERE.
IT'S GATED OFF, BUT UH, IT'S, IT IS THERE FOR POTENTIAL GROWTH AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, NOBODY KNOWS WITH, UH, UM, TILLMAN'S GONNA DO DOWN HERE IN, AT PIER 2119 WE, WHICH, AND TRYING TO GET THAT, TRYING TO FIGURE THAT OUT FOR YEARS.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE A STALEMATE ON THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THEM.
BUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY TO TRY TO GET FROM THAT AREA TO WHATEVER HAPPENS ON THE EAST END IS REALLY WHAT'S KIND OF DRIVING THAT NOW IS, IS DOES HAVE A NICE PLACE TO WALK.
A PLACE THAT YOU CAN BAN YOU A WATER
AND I THINK WE, WE, I THINK DID A GOOD JOB OF CONSIDERING THE INPUT FROM THE TENANTS AND I THINK WE'VE WORKED TO DESIGN.
SO I GUESS THE, WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, YOU WERE, YOU KIND OF GET GETTING READY TO HAVE A, A MEETING WITH THEM TO PRESENT THAT BACK? YEAH, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO, UH, GET BACK WITH ME ON BASIS OF BEING AVAILABLE.
SO I CAN COORDINATE WITH THE, THE TENANTS.
AND THE OTHER PARTY YOU MENTIONED IS KIND, ROGER, I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS UP ABOUT, HEY, WE GOT THE BATTLESHIP TEXAS THERE.
THAT'S KIND OF REALLY MORE OF A DESTINATION.
SO IF WE A TIE IN, SO IF WE HAD, I DUNNO IF WE HAD ANY FUNDING LEFT ON THE STAS, JOHN, WAS IT JOHN CAMPBELL? WAS, WAS TOO.
I THINK THERE WAS SOME MORE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO KIND OF LOOK, LOOK AT AN AREA, LOOK AT THAT AREA.
AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS WE GOTTA KIND OF, WE STILL HAVE TO GET THE LEASE, FIGURE OUT WHAT FOOTPRINT THEY NEED AND WE'VE GOTTA WORK THOSE, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES HE'S GONNA WELL AND WE'VE WORKED, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THAT.
I MEAN ALL THE CONVERSATIONS, A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH ROYAL CARIBBEAN ABOUT WHAT THAT WHOLE AREA COULD LOOK LIKE THERE.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO, WE WANNA MAKE, WE GOTTA, WE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT NOW, IS THAT FOOTPRINT.
IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU PUT A NEW TERMINAL HERE AND, AND NEW PARKING, WHAT DOES THE EAST END FOOTPRINT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE WE NEED TO PLAN, WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THAT NOW WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW WITH THE, WITH THE ADDITION OF A TERMINAL, POTENTIALLY SOME HOTELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE HOPING NEXT MONTH TO HAVE, UM, IN SEPTEMBER TO HAVE SOME PICTURE OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, AND THIS IS ALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MASTER PLAN.
WE TOOK THE DATA FROM THE MASTER PLAN THAT SAID, YOU NEED THIS MANY HOTEL ROOMS, YOU NEED THIS MUCH RETAIL SPACE.
AND SO WE TRYING TO TAKE THOSE NUMBERS AND PUT 'EM ON THE, PUT 'EM ON THE, UH, LOT THERE OR THAT AREA.
SO THAT WE'LL KNOW WHAT DENSITIES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IF, IF, IF THE, THE MASTER PLAN SAYS WE NEED 250, I THINK IT WAS MORE LIKE A THOUSAND HOTEL ROOMS OR SOMETHING YEAH.
IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND SO HOW DO YOU BUILD THAT DENSITY IF IT'S THERE? SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IS, IS WELL IF I, IF I NEED TO PUT A 250 ROOM HOTEL, HOW HIGH DO I HAVE TO GO TO MAKE THAT, UH, FIT THAT FOOTPRINT? SO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE HARD FOR, BECAUSE FOR US, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS THINK 15 YEARS AHEAD OF TIME AND SAY THIS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T BOX OURSELVES OUT AND WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, HURT OUR CHANCES OF DEVELOPING THAT AREA IN THE, IN THE 15 YEARS BY PUTTING THE PARKING GARAGE IN THE WRONG PLACE OR PUTTING THE TERMINAL THE WRONG PLACE OR PUTTING, YOU KNOW, THE USS TEXAS, UH, SUPPORT AREAS IN THE WRONG PLACE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, AND WE, AND LIKE I SAID, WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING BY NEXT MONTH.
WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK INTERNALLY ON THAT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH SPACE EACH ASPECT OF THAT GROWTH PATTERN WILL TAKE.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE, WITH THE CONVERSATIONS WITH ROYAL AND, AND, AND, AND, AND ALL THAT ABOUT ANOTHER TERMINAL IS IF YOU GOT TWO TERMINALS THERE, DO WE RETHINK THE GROUND TRANSPORTATION FOR THAT AREA SO THAT WE CAN U SO WE CAN SERVICE TWO TERMINALS AND CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT I THINK IS, IS AN EXCELLENT, UH, PLAN FOR KEEPING PEOPLE OFF, KEEPING, UH, CARS OFF OF HARBORSIDE DRIVING, GETTING THEM ON OUR
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PROPERTY.SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE MIGHT REDESIGN SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE STUFF IN FRONT OF 10 TO SERVICE 10 AND A NEW TERMINAL AND THEN PUT A CENTRALIZED PARKING AREA WHERE IT CAN BE FIRST OFF HIDDEN, UM, BY OTHER DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEN ALSO HAVE WALKWAYS FROM THE TERMINALS TO THE PARKING LOTS ABOVE GROUND.
AND, AND SO THAT'S KIND OF, WE SPENT, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO JUST BRAINSTORMING THIS AND GETTING IDEAS ON AND WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE AND 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE WRONG PLACE.
I MEAN, I THINK IT'S REAL IMPORTANT THAT WE, IF WE DO, IF WE DO EXPERIENCE THAT GROWTH, THAT THE MASTER PLAN CONTEMPLATES FOR THE EAST END.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT PLAN RIGHT.
AND BECAUSE THAT PLAN IS, I'M HOPING WE WILL SOON BE HAPPENING, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'M HOPING THAT WE'LL BE, THE BOARD WILL SEE THE WAY TO GIVE US A NEW, UH, GREEN LIGHT ON ANOTHER TERMINAL THERE.
SO WHAT WE NEED IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT WHOLE PLANNED OUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SO WE CAN, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A PLACE FOR A HOTEL THERE.
I MEAN, I, IF THERE'S NOT, I'M GETTING INQUIRIES ALL THE TIME FOR PEOPLE WANTING WE HERE, YOU'RE GONNA PUT HOTEL OUT THERE.
WE WANT TO BE, WE WANT TO BE IN THAT CONVERSATION.
PROBABLY NEED TO NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE, AT THE REGULAR REPORT PORT MEETING.
YEAH, WE, WE, IT'S ON THE AGENDA, BUT THE, UH, THE KEY THING I WANT TO CONTINUE TO EMPHASIZE IS I, I THINK WE WILL BENEFIT THE PORT IN THE LONG RANGE, LONG TERM BY THINKING IN, IN BLOCK FASHION OUT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT OUTSIDE THE TERMINAL AND ITS AFFILIATED PARKING.
I WOULD, I WOULD NOT OVER-ENGINEER THE REST OF THAT AREA.
AND, AND BECAUSE WE REALLY NEED TO HIRE A DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY, NO DOUBT.
AND HAVE, HAVE, SO WHAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO DO IS WHAT IF, IF WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO, AND WE CAN TALK, LIKE YOU SAID, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS BOARD MEETING, BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO UH, MAKE SURE WE KEEP IN PLAY THE WAY THAT WE'RE HANDLING TRAFFIC AT 10 FOR 14 AND HOW THAT CAN STILL BE SEAMLESS KEEPING GETTING EVERYBODY OFF.
AND SO WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD IDEAS, SOME IDEAS.
I LIKE THE IDEA, LET'S THINK IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH SO WE DON'T PUT SOMETHING IN THERE THAT THISES US UP FOR, FOR THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S KIND OF A, I'LL SAY A BLANK PIECE OF PAPER, BUT MULTIFAMILY TOO.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF, THAT'S PART CLEANED.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE PIER 19 PIECE THING.
WE'VE GOT A GOOD, THAT'S MADE GOOD PROGRESS.
I THINK WE'VE GOT, WE'RE COMING TO SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS A BENEFIT.
YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, WE'RE NOT GONNA, AND WE TOLD THE TENANTS THIS ISN'T A WIN-WIN AND YOU GUYS AREN'T HAPPY WITH IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT.
SO I THINK GUYS HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF, UH, BEING TRUE TO THAT.
[D. COMMENTS FROM THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE]
THAT, ANY OTHER COMMENT, COMMENTS IN GENERAL FROM ANYBODY ON THE REAL ESTATE COMMITTEE OR OTHERS AROUND THE TABLE OR IN THE AUDIENCE? I, OF COURSE I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.FIRST OFF, THANK YOU JEFF FOR SHARING THIS COMMITTEE.
YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF UNITING THE CITY AND THE PORT, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN MEETING IN THIS TOWN FOR A LONG TIME AND, AND YOU, YOU, YOU'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF DOING THAT.
AND I, I GOTTA GIVE VIC A LOT OF CREDIT.
'CAUSE VIC WAS THE ONE THAT SET THIS COMMITTEE UP WITH KIND OF, WITH ROGER'S INPUT ABOUT HOW DO WE KIND OF GO BACK A FEW YEARS AGO, HOW DO WE KIND OF BETTER, HOW DO WE GET A FORUM WHERE WE CAN HAVE THE CITY AND THE PORT WORK TOGETHER? AND I THINK WE WEREN'T, FRANKLY, I KNOW I WASN'T USING, YOU KNOW, SHARE IT.
SO I'M LIKE, OKAY, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE? BUT I THINK AS YOU SEE THE THINGS WE'VE WORKED ON, I THINK WE'VE FOUND SOME, SOME REALLY GOOD JOINT AREAS AND I GIVE BOB A LOT OF CREDIT FOR BRINGING A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS.
WELL, JUST THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH THE ISLAND TRANSIT AND OUR DIRECTOR, THAT'S PROBABLY A CONVERSATION THAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS AGO.
BUT WE LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT AND I THINK IT'S VERY VALUABLE.
SO THESE ARE ALL GOOD THINGS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD TOOL.
I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME SERVICE.
ANYTHING ELSE GUYS? WITH THAT I WILL DECLARE ADJOURN.